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Old 24-11-2004, 07:54   #1
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Do you see EUR/USD going to...

Survey: Will EUR/USD go back down to 1.2000 to 1.2100?

If you think it will, when will it?

Why do you think it will go there?

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Old 27-11-2004, 07:07   #2
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IF the (trade weighted) USD Index bounces from long term support @ 78-80, then I think we will see EURUSD @ 1.20-1.24 again.

Time frame?...hmm, hard to say... probably within the next 3-6 months.

Reasons:

1. interest rate differential likely to increasingly be USD favourable in the short-intermediate term

2. CB intervention?

3. EU economy not performing well enough, to justify current levels of EURUSD

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However, from a longer term perspective (2-4 yrs.), I think the USD is TOAST
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Old 28-11-2004, 16:35   #3
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IF the (trade weighted) USD Index bounces from long term support @ 78-80, then I think we will see EURUSD @ 1.20-1.24 again.

Time frame?...hmm, hard to say... probably within the next 3-6 months.

Reasons:

1. interest rate differential likely to increasingly be USD favourable in the short-intermediate term

2. CB intervention?

3. EU economy not performing well enough, to justify current levels of EURUSD

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However, from a longer term perspective (2-4 yrs.), I think the USD is TOAST
Yes, those are good reasons, thanks for replying.

As a trader sometimes it has been difficult to continue to analyze a trade / price move based on reality APART from one's own trade direction.

But if you could, as if you were flat, and you would still be in your own direction, then you most likely are right even though the rate price as gone against you (temporarily).

As far as the USD being toast in the future... it may appear that way but you must keep in mind that there are other currencies for it to trade against. Those currencies are in pretty shabby condition themselves especially the EUR.

Strictly speaking, for the euro-zone to prosper, a rate of under 1.0000 would need to be reached and maintained for quite a lengthy period of time.

Best regards.

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Old 28-11-2004, 17:14   #4
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Old 28-11-2004, 19:37   #5
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As far as the USD being toast in the future... it may appear that way but you must keep in mind that there are other currencies for it to trade against. Those currencies are in pretty shabby condition themselves especially the EUR.


Watch the price of Gold.

If in 2-3 years time, we see a price of $800 - $1000 per ounce (as some analysts believe) than it doesn't really matter what the price in Euro's will be.

Also keep in mind that the EU is expanding. That means there will be more and more demand for Euro's, despite the short term problems that expansion will cause.
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Old 29-11-2004, 08:14   #6
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Watch the price of Gold.

If in 2-3 years time, we see a price of $800 - $1000 per ounce (as some analysts believe) than it doesn't really matter what the price in Euro's will be.

Also keep in mind that the EU is expanding. That means there will be more and more demand for Euro's, despite the short term problems that expansion will cause.
You have a point about gold - still, the price of EUR will always matter.

At this time the proper exchange rate of EUR/USD for both countries to work out their monetary complexities fairly is 1.2250.

The euro could actually use and benefit from a fluctuation down to 0.8000 before it climbs up again.

As far as the EU expanding, yes, but that expansion also increases the likely potential for further troubles as it takes on yet more countries whose economies are problematic and wobbly as its current 12 countries are.

A spike up to 1.3330 is fine and dandy but longer term there are 12 countries in the euro-zone, plus yen, aud, chf, gbp and cad all whose economies will simply vaporize at this sudden massive, extreme unjustified usd price spike.

Therefore, it behooves those people to re-align their currencies down 10 cents immediately.

This will happen soon. Then look for a continued usd rally to another 10 cents+ before it turns and stablizes back up at around 1.2250ish.

See, the US economy does fine with a 5% (of the GDP) trade gap. Its economy is growing nearly 5%, Greenspan is raising interest rates.

About the only thing that really came down in the past 2 months is Greenspan's simple warning that foreign investors' interest in the usd / us assets may wane unless the trade gap is narrowed. To which Snow assured the world that the usa monetary structure is "deep and liquid" and interest will NOT wane.

Also, oil flucuated up on fears and concerns of a tight winter energy supply. So far nothing in a problematic sense has remotely come to pass based on those worries, nor has the us economy been adversely effected at all due to the price of oil.

Market mania, poor speculation, bad trading by institutional-level hedge fund guys, and panic was the cause of everything else in the spike. It's no wonder why hedge funds turn in such dismal numbers as under 4% gain for a whole year of trading, with their participation in spikes such as these in exchange rates.

As they are expecting to see 1.45 to 2.00, the market will see sub-1.2000 by Xmas.

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Old 29-11-2004, 10:57   #7
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jtb790,

I agree in general with your short-term forecasts. I'm actually betting on a USD bounce and rally happening soon.

But I don't share your optimism on the USD / US economy for the longer-term (next few years).

I'm short on time at the moment, so I'll try to explain my views some other time.

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Old 13-12-2004, 01:18   #8
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Here's an extract of an article by John Mauldin

http://www.johnmauldin.com/

who explains much better than I can, the dangers facing the US Dollar and economy.

It's a bit long, but I think worth the read....


The Dollar - Oversold or Overwrought?

Is there anyone left who is bullish on the dollar? Even Greenspan and other Fed governors openly suggest the dollar and the trade deficit are too high. If the United States is borrowing to finance its trade deficit, then somebody must be lending, which means someone is saving. Everyone knows that the United States trade deficit, at 6% of GDP, takes around 83% of total world savings to finance (International Monetary Fund). The US government deficit soaks up a huge amount of our own national savings.

The reality is that the trade deficit cannot go much higher because the world is running out of the ability to lend more money. Someone somewhere must start to save more or the deficit must begin to come down. The classic ways are for the dollar to drop or for a recession to appear. What politician or Fed governor in his right mind would deliberately induce a recession? The answer that is left is for the dollar to drop, and that is clearly the way the Fed and the Treasury are leaning.

That also means the US must ultimately finance its own deficit. Thus we will be forced to save more and spend less. Given the boomer retirement coming all too rapidly down the road, it is hard to imagine a longer term scenario which yields growth in consumer spending, increased savings and a stable dollar, all at the same time.

So, the open short position on the dollar continues to climb. If everyone is on the same side of a trade, who is on the other side? Is the dollar extremely oversold? Maybe. I can paint a scenario either way.

Fundamentally, the dollar has not dropped all that much on a trade weighted real basis, and given the trade deficit, government debt and other factors, it still has a way to go, in my opinion. Further, the current short position of traders is a small percentage of the huge ($1 trillion a day) currency markets. There is still plenty of room for more short-selling.

On the other hand, the traders who move the market from day to day are all on one side of the trade. It is quite crowded. It feels a lot like this time last year when again everyone was short. The dollar stopped its slide and actually began to rise with a significant correction. Now we can see that correction was a buying opportunity. At the time, many said the dollar had reached its bottom. That scenario could, and likely will, play out again. Very few markets have ever gone down (or up) without significant corrections along the way.

The Sleeper Dollar Issue

Did you feel the ground shake? The epicenter of the economic quake happened in Laos last Tuesday. Southeast Asian nations and China signed an accord to create the world's biggest free trade area by removing tariffs for two billion people by the end of the decade. In macro-economic terms, that is tomorrow. Leaders in the 10-member Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) also signed a pact to create an ASEAN Community along the lines of a unified Europe by 2020. It aims to create a common market with common security goals. ASEAN members are actively talking of creating their own "reserve currency" to compete with the dollar and the euro.

On an even larger note, Japan, South Korea, Australia and New Zealand have all agreed to start free-trade talks with the ASEAN countries. (Just for the record, the Association of Southeast Asian Nations consists of Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand and Vietnam.)

Now, let's couple that with another fact or two. The Wall Street Journal reports: "Total flows of Foreign Direct investment (FDI) have collapsed since 2000 - from a peak of $314 billion in 2000 to [a mere! - JM] $29.8 billion in 2003. That's down 90%. No doubt some of that decline is a cyclical response to the giant surge in the late 1990's. But some of that falloff might be structural. In 2003, for the first time, China attracted more FDI than the US ($53 billion). This comes as the US share of world FDI inflows fell to only 5.3% in 2003, from 22.6% in 2000."

Where is the US International Trade Commission? We are still putzing around with a Caribbean free trade agreement, which we cannot get done because of sugar subsidies to the Florida Fanful family, let alone a Central American agreement or a southern hemisphere agreement.

Right now, the world and especially Asia needs the US consumer. But we cannot always count on that. Asia is working hard on creating its own internal consumer demand. A free trade territory the size of the one developing is huge, and we should be driving the talks, not watching them.

The Balance of Financial Terror

Right now, the world and largely Asia, finances our deficits. It is a kind of vendor financing, where a company arranges the financing of its products so it can stay in business and grow. But there are limits.

"However, such a large deficit leaves the US effectively relying on what Larry Summers so aptly refers to as the 'balance of financial terror.' In fact, Summers' recent speeches are amongst the best arguments I have seen over the current account for ages. As Summers notes:

"'Inevitably, dependence on foreign governments for short-term financing has to raise questions and create vulnerabilities in both the economic and political realms. The question can fairly be asked: How long should the world's greatest debtor remain the world's largest borrower? I have previously used the term "balance of financial terror" to refer to a situation where we rely on the costs to others of not financing our current account deficit as assurance that financing will continue.'" (Global Equity Strategy, DKWR)

Free trade, whether in Europe or Asia is good for the world at large, and should be applauded and encouraged at every instance. But if the United States is to remain a major world power through this century, we must participate in that trade or be left behind.

Falling foreign direct investment, huge trade deficits, a world working actively to no longer be forced to rely on the American consumer for growth - these are all bearish on the dollar over the very long term. These are all events and facts which can change. Certainly the trade deficit is reaching its limit, but the longer we delay in creating balance, the worse the correction is likely to be.

One final thought. In 1971, the yen was at roughly 350. (Today it is at 102). In the 80's, Lee Iaccoco, the CEO of Chrysler, stated something to the effect that "Give me a 150 yen [to the dollar] and we can beat the Japanese." It fell soon after to 120. Japan and Toyota are still taking market share from Ford, GM and Chrsyler.

Those who take comfort that a falling dollar will make our companies more competitive, who yearn for a floating Chinese Renminbi, should be careful for what they wish...They just might get it.
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