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INTRO: JB's Freeeeee Neural Net Signals after Daily closings This thread has been closed quite awhile, sorry. It was my earlier look at neural-net resolution for fx market. This was a learning phase. Go to last post to see some info re: successful route achieved. Thx!
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LIVE! INTRO!: Hi fx friends,
I humbly tender free, not as a trial, or as a come-on to product or services, here, my daily Neural Net computed trade signals,
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so returning to my Intro......
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I humbly tender free, not as a trial, or as a come-on to product or services (that are not availed as such anyway, i.e., I'm JUST an individual at home, NOT a Vendor), here my daily Neural Net trade Signals LIVE! (artificial intelligence),
as my engineering project had reached a successful peak, soooooo, project has expanded to include social survey of how folks would feel operating with such a dream.
Signals will be at 5:15pmEST for EURUSD, Sun thru Thurs. (see more of this in FAQ below my sig) Reason for that half hour is I have to enter and process the day's closing bar data and run it through my NN (Artificial Intelligence Neural Net) processor. I now give credit and thanks to one "Rick" on this forum for introducing me to NNs and helping me along the way with data obtainment and some details, thanks so much Rick! It took some hard work INCLUDING some nearly bum-luck of finding what TAs to put in the "TA hopper" of this NN machine (acronymically nicknamed now "eNNya"), it was found that finding appropriate TAs that represent major external forces hidden WITHIN the price curve is what was needed, THEN........ other than the usual thought of how to operate an NN platform was also discovered re: where signal is on chart, then I had to test it out by hand day by day for last two months, AND...........result: ~+600 pips gain with EURUSD over those two months ain't bad via daily bars (!!), it has proved itself out. Obviously. Naturaly, it's proprietary result/work now, but you can demo test it out for yourself from this forum thread and then later go live...........available...... for....... the unknown duration of many months ahead, free. I'm convinced that one can't do better than NNs will yield on certain periodicities, however, it's not easy to find out how......took this guys past engineering savy, frankly.......soooo, you didn't have to, as you found this threadAs it's free, it's not a "service", but an ongoing engineering project, NN social response phase.
I want to see you gaining so will probably be here for around a year or more, free. Get yourself a demo platform such as fxcm or cms-forex and see its for real then start with minimum $1,000 and do 1 mini 'til things double, which will probably happen every 3-5 months. If one could ONLY have consistently 100 pips per month, have you ever figured that out for a retirement replacement in case Social-Security really does crash badly later??? That's $1K to $250K in less than 7 years. Can't do that this easily with stocks, main reason I got attracted to FX asap is its 100X magnifying and it has shorts as well as longs capability, AS WELL as this LEVERAGE of applying your equity gathered!
On EURUSD the stops shall be set by yourself at 123pips after each day's INFO or new buy/sell trade engaged! (Even if staying in same position!) You follow that? Take big note of that and do that minimum of stop requirement each day after receiving info from here, whether its a position switch or staying in a position, 123-pips SL FROM the day's closing! Make sure its a stop in right direction opposite side to your trade! ok?
A minor percentage of time some gain will be gotten from the ups 'n downs, but the bulk of the gains come from having gotten in early enough on the medium or major moves. In the last two 'n one-half months only one time did the EURUSD hit the stop_loss level of 120pips, happened after already ahead +450 pips in 1that first month. Just so happens next trade ALSO lost 50 pips, so I had to develop a strategy to avoid possible clumps of trades biting into profits, as strategy Performance reports from each day's NN processing shows 4-5 as number of worst case serial trade losses (MOST NOT hitting that stop_loss though!!!). Here it is, take big note of it too:
When two trades amount to such sizable quantity losses we will avoid doing trades for next couple of rounds. I will keep you informed of said judgements, of course. However, if a move is evident afterwards we shall jump in. If another loss occurs, we will skip yet another trade. By then, things usually are back to normal. Its getting thru those tumultuous consolidation periods with some grace yet capturing the bigger moves as the NNs can & do that wins in the long-run.
Good money management of 10% applied or smaller is naturally the order of every day, see example herein of 1 mini for $1K on account.
Alrighty? OK, if any questions, I'd prefer you just observe and do first for awhile, then ask if you must, because too many posts and emails requiring viewing and consideration is a bit to much for this getting older engineer, LOL, :-D so be thankful this is found for us and "do-your-doggily-duties" first.
Please review FAQ sheet below my sig. Thank you.
ENJOY!
Truly,
Jerry
http://snipurl.com/jbsneuralnetlastpost (handy-dandy snipurl that takes you to last post on this thread fast to get your "Signals")
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FAQ SHEET:
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1) How do I value something that is supposedly high-value but is thrown to me free?
Recommend you understand this thread thoroughly and FEEL it on a demo platform.......A.S.A.P. (!!), that artificial-intelligence-neural-nets AREN'T foolin' around in regard to having excellent TA/predictive "know"ingness of a price-curve, the kind you would otherwise find on the Net for $500/mo! Right now. PER moneytec policy of NOT eluding to a product or service or a "Free Trial", i.e. this is indefinitely free.
2) Ummm-Hmmm....and just WHY ....I-S (!!) this free?
Couple of folks told me to do this free posting of Sigs on moneytec, Rick who introduced me to NNs mentioned above, and owner of fx-review. He is a non-profit fx review sheet for us newbies, and yes, I'm pretty much a semi-newbie still, can make mistakes here 'n there, but thanks to being an 11 year electronic engineer when younger and study of some applied philosophy, I was able to "break thru" to a solution for forex and a means with NN's. Why else would I do this free here in forum, since I can't post a biz url or yield it as a service to gather you up "in my fold" and charge you later? Many think that others doing same thing to a price curve could wreck chances for oneself gaining from it, but it actually makes a slight additional factor of "self-prophesied results". Cute, eh? A million dollars (10 lots) won't move prices one pip, but 100 of us reaching 10 lots might! LOLThird reason for free is since I as little guy "nearly broke my back" time-'n-money-wise doing this research, so it should remain for us, the little guy. Fourth reason, is, who knows, maybe some daddy-war-bucks will come along here, see this thread (?), and chime-in somehow/someday/someway, wouldn't that be something? (and wouldn't that finally be some just deserts after all I gone thru at this age of 55 researching whilst living SO minimally half due to it?) Buuuut, I'm siding with keeping this out there free for the little guy come what may! Fifth reason, is, ............and I'll email moneytec to see if these last two are ok, .............maybe Y-O-U out there, making it big off my Sigs with 1-10 lots, M-I-G-H-T (???) be inclined to donate on rare occasion (not asking for such though). Although, with the moneytec policies, all I can do after those two associates said "post your trades on moneytec" is innocently put it out there for your enjoyment, gain, examination,.....and "who-knows-what-might-happen", type stuff, right? I.E., I'm just Johnny-milk-toast researcher who got somewhere in my research and hasn't any biz in me bones, now you get the picture? I AGAIN realize IN LIFE, for me at least, if I had the greatest health discovery (which I made for myself personally with "manna-tec") and/or money route, ..........that it doesn't matter outside myself, as I am useless promulgation, sales, marketing, or biz-wise, LOLROF!
) So your participation and hanging-in-there with me is appreciated! Blessings to you all with this thread! Thank you!
OH, by the way, sixth reason, further on "ideas" of donations: It be at anyone's own decision if they ever want to, should they get some good stable steam rolling ahead with these Sigs, I make no requests for such because of moneytec's policy to not broach on "vending" or "fees" arena. I can't even really say "if donations, then this thread can be kept around", as that implies exchange, also against moneytec policy, sooooooo, this is officially all very open and open-ended. To give you idea of how down 'n dirty I got to research and not have better life whilst, I sit on edge of my bed as an office-chair and my flatscreen is on a low 'n small 1-1/2' x 1-1/2' "table" and computer tower is on the floor (hey! "computer low-rider"! new expression! lol); in a room where I live, going to work on a measley graveyard job.......well......you get the idea......not needing your sympathy.....just where I've had to operate from, i.e., a slow hard struggle......so how often did I think I might not reach a solution in this level existence?.........lots of times, even "threw in the towel" couple of times. But I made it, hard to believe as it is few times really. Your kindly consideration and/or blessings is appreciated, even if you throw tomatoes at me! ("ummm, yummy, thank you!")
3) I'm new to forex, what do I do?
If you are TOTALLY a newbie to forex, look in moneytec.com threads for beginner info, terms like "pips" and "what is forex?", "what is 'short' & 'long'?", and "SL" (stop_loss"), etc, you will be helped there. Also use search engines for "introduction to forex" to find some "poop-sheets" to study. This thread is a very exclusive find and is for the person who has gone past the beginner's intro level and has the wisdom & fortune to come across something (herein) that will change his/her life forever in this whole arena. Even a few years of continued application to your equity would do marvels to it! (disclaimers, of course, abound!)
4) When are the Signals? And just WHERE is these "Sigs"? I signed-up on your list via batchj @ earthlink (dot) net yet I get no email "Sigs"!?
Signals will be at 5:30mEST for EURUSD, Sun thru Thurs, as Friday's closing 'til Sunday's re-opening, gaps can occur, so I'll be entering Friday's closing price from Sunday's re-opening as one day's exception. Another reason for doing it on Sunday is either platforms or myself with the NN processor eNNya can be in maintenance right after Friday closing. Everything's frozen in the market anyway 'til Sunday's re-opening at 5pmEST. Sorry weekenders! Maybe get a platform on a hand-PDA-unit to take with you on trips, such as what FXCM avails!
Handy-dandy snipurl that takes you to last post on this thread fast to get your "Signals":
http://snipurl.com/jbsneuralnetlastpost
5) Could you give me that Stop_Loss procedure again in detail?
No! Go away! JUST KIDDING! LOL :-) Here 'tis amigo!:
On EURUSD the stops shall be set by yourself at 123pips after each day's INFO or new buy/sell trade engaged! (Even if staying in same position!) You follow that? Take big note of that and do that minimum of stop requirement each day after receiving info from here, whether its a position switch or staying in a position, 123-pips SL FROM (hinged off of) the day's closing! Only exception is Sunday, we "hinge" it off the open due to possible re-opening gaps when trade week begins. Make sure its a stop in right direction opposite side to your trade! ok?
To the point:
If eNNya is long the market, and the daily update says "Stay in that Long", you adjust your Stoploss to 123 pips below that 17:00 price.
If eNNya is short, and the daily update says "Stay in that Short", you adjust your Stoploss to 123 pips above that 17:00 price.
6) I'm on other side of the world ......SLEEPING!......and use different closing time bars, what am I to do!?
Scream "uncle"! LOL (just kidding!) Just get disciplined as to where time-wise 5pmEST-closing-time is on your local EURUSD chart. So use THAT price at THAT time on a 5Min chart in lieu of closing of a daily bar chart, i.e., be creative, be disciplined, otherwise, no riches for you, back to the trailer-park you go! (just kidding again! Ha-Ha!) Other creative ideas is have an associate on this Western hemisphere side of world enter trades for you.......or......simply settle for THAT time of day when you CAN be up from sleep and enter trade, just so long as you do that REGULARLY (the Plus or Minus difference between the price from our Western entries and your Eastern side will no doubt average out to zero in the long run, no guarantees on this thought, just something to experiment with if you can't do the other solutions)
7) Should I be excited by last one or two trades, or be sad and disappointed by one or two losses in a row?
Later in this thread I have posted a performance report and a 2 month trade report via my demo cms platform, look for them. Even later I did a 2 week summary since yielding signals on this thread. All these look great, but they WON'T if you have microscopic vision of current trade wins or losses. You must put on long-term spectacles that cares not for short-term stuff going on! Otherwise you can get emotionally jerked-around, and that is counter-productive to winning. Please operate in this bird's-eye-view manner, it is THE traders' winning vantage point. eNNya is designed to take care of us on the long-run, she too cares less of the current little ups 'n downs, literally!
8) I have X-dollars, how many lots or minis do I "bet" on my platform?
Good Money Management!!!! IMPORTANT as an effective system, so KNOW it COLD! EQUALLY AS IMPORTANT!!!!: 10% or less! 5% is too small and will have your 3-5 month doubling be 8-10 months. 20% is too risky. 10% is just right.
Here is a little formula that tells you amount of lots you're to apply, demo or real money, at your platfiorm, with respect to your starting-point equity:
Integer( (10Xaccount-equity/10K) / 10 OK? Example, you have saved to put $2500 on account, so what number of lots to start? 10 X 2500 = 25000, divided by 10K is 2.5 of which the integer is 2, divided by 10 yields .2, and that's 2 mini lots. Cute, eh?
Now then, you're stuck at that repetition rate of a "sawtooth" equity-vs-lots-betted curve. I.E., you ignore until equity doubles, THEN you double your bet at that point! So that be 4 minis when you reach $5K on account. Naturally, some platforms don't have mixed lots+minis, so 1.6 etc are out of the question, but cms and fxcm has! (fxcm one simply ernters the amount, like 230K would be 2.3 lots) So on other platforms you have to do the Integer LOT value of whatever you figured until THAT doubled. So there you have that.
IMPORTANT EXTRA PROTECTION PLan Addendum to above money management
Basic Protection plan = above in basic risk money management plan discussed
Extra Protection Money Management Plan = discussed below
Double Extra MOney Management protection Plan is where the extra plan plus the basic plan above are simultaneously employed, something during early initial equity points like 2K or 4K or 8K, etc, I myself wouldn't mind employing TOO!
Date: 5/11/05, It's occured to me, even though 7% of the overall gain is from these consolidation periods (believe it or not, ...."GAIN!" See table attached below!), and the other 93% is from the swings, that, naturally, as the months and seasons progress, the % time in consolidation, and the thrashing results could be different, maybe more time in it and some quarters with negative results, sooooo, idea of over-lapping strategy is do 5% risk exposure (proportional example: 2K initial capitol, 1 mini) during these consolidation periods UNTIL we're 130 pips (entry orders!!!) INTO a swing (with a SL = 65), in which case the extra mini is "tossed into play" and we ride the wave the rest of the way in the usual big-time way of 10% risk. This comes to mind now because of the further experience and thought of eNNya's ways. Hope you like, 'course I can't do myself at this point because there is no 1/2 mini, but those with a mini-mini platform, are YOU in luck! LOL (I'll actually still be ok, I'd have to have a few 170 worse case big-combo-loss-hits before my initial 1K is half drained, so things ok as they are, just that for overall excellent performance and protection for the long-run, and given the increased understand of eNNya-I, this plan does it well. I will try to start giving Sigs with "extra protection plan entry orders". When the SL of the primary order just passes the SL of entry order after entry order engaged (meaning we're in a TREND baby! LOL
9) Sometimes you seem slow or even real late in posting a trade, what's up?
IF I'M NOT SHOWING-UP BY SO MANY MINUTES LIKE 5-15 MINUTES FOR POSTING OF SIGNAL, ON SOME OCCASSION THIS IS DUE TO PARAMETER SEARCH NEEDING MORE WEE-BIT LENGTHY TIME. USUALLY ITS A PLUS TO MINUS 7 SEARCH, BUT IF THE END 7 SHOWS UP, I MUST DO SEARCH FROM THERE TO ANOTHER 7 OUT THAT END, THUS REASON ON RARE OCCASSION NEEDING BIT MORE TIME. IF ITS STARTING TO BE MORE TIME THAN THAT, THAT WOULD MEAN SOME OTHER MORE MAJOR FLUB KIND OF THING IS GOING ON, LIKE ELECTRICITY GOING OUT AT PLACE I LIVE. CIRCUIT BREAKER DOES KICK-OUT ON RARE OCCASSION ON RANDOM TIMES, NO DOUBT SOMEDAY WILL HIT ME DURING EURUSD OR USDJPY PROCESSING, SO CAN'T BUCK REALITY, CAN HAPPEN, BUT RARE, FORTUNATELY. NATURALLY I'LL POST AS TO WHAT IS GOING ON ASAP WHEN I GET COMPUTER BACK-UP. IN SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES, WATCH THE MARKET ON 5 MIN BARS, IF YOU SEE SOME VELOCITY AND ITS ALREADY 10-20 PIPS FROM 2PM OPENING BEST YOU GET OUT OF LAST TRADE 'TIL I'M BACK ON THE AIR! YOU KNOW, JUDGEMENT.....LIKE "DUH!" LOL
10) How can we receive instant emails of Sig postings?
One "nvwine", Darryl, helped us with those details!:
Getting email updates by subscribing to the thread works great. The email is sent the same minute as your post. I just set outlook express to check for new messages every 1 minute. It is a good idea to visit the thread first when you are waiting for an email. If you ignore an email sometimes it will not send out another until you visit the site. You must subscribe to the thread.
Subscribe is under Thread Tools at the top of the page. I just use the subscribe to this thread option. If MoneyTec has your correct email address they will send you the notices. After subscribing to the thread you have to have 'Instant Email Notification' turned on in your personal options to get a fast email. You can check this by choosing the following menus - On the left of the top of the page blue bar select 'User CP' then under the user control panel select 'Edit Options' then scroll through the options and select Default Subscription Mode' and make sure 'Instant Email Notification' is chosen. You may not need this info but while I was thinking about it.
11) Thought these were Sigs complete with prices?
They are Sigs, but price at close time 5pmEST is obvious on your platform. So no need repeat them. Just either enter a trade, or close last trade and open new one in opposite direction if "Sig" by eNNya (acronymic nickname for NN processor, for a little fun & levity! lol) says so. [eNNya-II two can have simply CLOSE w/ no other open, i.e., no trade period]
12) I see price moving since last open, you sure I should stay in it 'til next day's "Sig" at 5:30pmEST?
Yep, that's how this system works! "Just set it and forget it", as they say in the parlor business (what parlor business???!!! I don't know, it sounded good, eh?) On RARE occassion of hitting a SL setting, just note it down in your trade journal, it should agree with my notes at next "Toaday's Sig" times. If not, your minor difference in SL setting and mine may be the reason, so you had different stopped_out or not_stopped_out result. If next trade in that NEW direction, then as usual enter trade per Sigs_via_eNNya. It MIGHT even be a persistent eNNya on an unusual occassion, because eNNya doesn't look at Highs & Lows, so she may elect, depending on the closing data, to go in SAME direction as before! I haven't ever seen that happen yet, so I suspect that would be quite the unusual and abnormal swing-during-past-day scenario. Part of the loss-column of this performance report and moneymanagement game.
13) Gee, sure seems like "STUFF" between daily closings I could do other strategy advantages of, no?
Bear in mind there can be ALL KINDS of price movement activity between daily closings, tumultuous, quiet, swings, you name it, it happens. The tried 'n true of what works IN THIS STRATEGY/PROGRAM/PLAN is ignoring such RATHER coldly & routinely between closings.....i.e., don't get involved with what happens between signals here, eNNya looks for the under current of various waveforms buried inside the long & short terms of the price curve. So if you experiment to see if you can catch a swing with trail_stops for example (definitely forget limits!), do that on the side with a separate demo account, as you'll miss-out getting totally comfortable with using eNNya Signals in the long-run just the way they come, 5:15pmEST (EURUSD), thus too you'd otherwise be foolin' around not reaching going live with real-$$ ASAP before you ever COULD know if this works out for you! That be SAD!
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14) Can I stay in contact with you in case your thread is momentarily or otherwise down?
In case this thread ever disappears for whatever reasons someday, not that I have ANY notions why that could be, as likelihood extremely slim to none of disappearance, as I'm doing WHATEVER I CAN to be straight & ethical with moneytec and the community at large, but just in case and you'd like to stay in contact in such an event, i.e., continue following this engineering project, then click-on my name in left panel, then click-on the selection to email me. You WILL need your e-address UN-privatized in your public profile first to email me using moneytec email-form, OTHERWISE the "From" when I receive your email will ONLY have moneytec address in it! This means will also serve to have you on my occasional survey list re: this project's social responses. If you previously got on my list, no need email me again. Also, if you have questions, use that email form and be sure your privatization is off! (don't worry, your e-address won't show on moneytec, it just means the "From" will have it whence it goes out to me, ok? I will inform group of Q & A's and survey results) Thanks! :-)
15) Can I post all the Qs I want on "your" thread"?
Please help conserve thread posting space for Signal postings, write your Q& A's to me directly using moneytec emailer function mentioned in above #13 faq. If it's important enough I will post not only in threads but also in FAQ here. How 'bout THEM for apples! LOL
16) Will I make it successfully doing trading for a living and get wealthy within a few years?
If you ponder the various points above you'll see there's enough reasons that more than 90% don't make it. The simplicity of what you need do once having a route escapes most mankind, THUS his demise of such hallowed trails, soooooo, what does this mean for you and most reading this? It means "freedom means constant vigilance......" (read, study, re-re-read and re-study above ad-nauseum) ".......and constant willingness to fight". Print out the Intro + FAQ, absorb it with your favorite beverage and a crackling fireplace, and decide! Email me using moneytec emailer: Left click on my ID-name in left panel, your e-address MUST be UN-privatized first!) and let me know if your IN!
17) What's the feeling of its performance day by day, week by week?
Check out this post:
http://www.moneytec.com/forums/showp...&postcount=215 and
http://www.moneytec.com/forums/showp...&postcount=216
18) Any further ideas for FAQ? email me per #14 faq THX!
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Good trade and good luck, all the best for you 
the material and find what terminology isn't understood, collect them up, then email me, batchj @ earthlink .net and I'll be happy to go over them with you piece by piece.
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