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View Poll Results: How many pips do you earn in 1 month on average?
More than 1000 70 13.06%
500-1000 122 22.76%
300-500 98 18.28%
100-300 120 22.39%
0-100 71 13.25%
Less than 0 55 10.26%
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Old 22-01-2005, 13:54   #81
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Originally posted by waxwing If you have no idea what the system is really doing, then you'll always be fighting your emotions because you'll never have confidence that the market's character hasn't changed today and turned the system into a loser - in a totally opaque way.
Must say that this has not been my experience. One of the two successful "systems" I trade is as off-the-shelf as you can get: it's simply "signals" from a "provider". They come from an "adaptive neural net software" and I don't even know what that means. I have a reasonable degree of confidence that the market's character hasn't changed today and turned their system into a loser, and if it suddenly has, I'll find out soon enough, won't I, when I have my first ever losing month with it? After 16 consecutive winning months (and other subscribers have had more) it's a chance I'm willing to take, with absolutely no "fight with my emotions".

Like you, I also don't think it's just a matter of buying a system or downloading it off the net, but for very different reasons (which I've mentioned above).
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Old 22-01-2005, 14:13   #82
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Very interesting! Can't argue with the voice of experience.
Do you have a fixed percentage of equity (or a fixed dollar amount) loss after which you would abandon this neural net system?
e.g. suppose you lost 15% of equity in the first 15 days of the month - would you wait until month's end or just give up? And if you had a losing month (even only a few percent) would you stop using it?
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Old 22-01-2005, 14:46   #83
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Hi Jana, would you be willing to tell me who your signals provider is please?
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Old 22-01-2005, 15:05   #84
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Originally posted by waxwing Do you have a fixed percentage of equity (or a fixed dollar amount) loss after which you would abandon this neural net system?
It's a very good and completely reasonable question, and it's what I would ask anyone else under similar circumstances; this makes it all the more embarrassing for me that I do not have an adequate answer for it!

I came across these "signals" because a relative has a long history of using this company for asset management, i.e. they invest his money on his behalf (Forex trades) and pay him the profits, less their commission. He's always done very well, and so when the "signals" became available I just signed up for them, thinking "at last a way to trade profitably" or something like this, and I've been telling myself ever since that I really ought to have a good answer to this question. My only "working answer" really is that I've decided to allow them two consecutive losing months before I start to worry or to re-assess the situation. So far they haven't had one at all, so this seems reasonable.

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Originally posted by waxwing e.g. suppose you lost 15% of equity in the first 15 days of the month - would you wait until month's end or just give up?
It's not possible for that to happen even if all their trades at the start of the month are losing. I don't do enormous stakes, though I'm gradually building them up a bit now. If I ever lose 15% of all my trading capital I would certainly be in a major panic, but there is no sign of it yet. The drawdowns are not large and the progress is pretty steady. They do have some losing trades, of course, but they always send an email to close out before their safety stop-loss is hit. Their stop losses are a lot bigger than anything I would ever use for my own trading, but then their trades are a lot longer as well (I am only an intraday trader from 10-minute and 15-minute charts really). So far, a stop-loss has not been hit, though I have taken many small losses. But always well in profit by the end of the month.

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Originally posted by waxwing And if you had a losing month (even only a few percent) would you stop using it?
No, I would allow them a losing month without changing anything or reducing my stake. I would re-assess after 2 losing months, though.

Without knowing how the trading signals are derived (apart from the fact that it includes something called "adaptive neural net software" as well as other things) it's very difficult to know what to do if things go wrong, and I agree that this is one of the worries of not knowing what you're doing. But that's why I continue to develop my own trading separately, and manage it separately, so that if the worst happens I will not be left without a source of income and will be able to continue to make a living from trading. To be honest, I earn less from my own trading than from following the signals, but even my own trading has now been producing some income for nearly 2 years, so I must be learning something!
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Old 22-01-2005, 15:09   #85
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Hi Jana, would you be willing to tell me who your signals provider is please?
Andrew, it's called Epiphany and I'm not their only subscriber on this site, but they are not accepting new clients at the moment. I am not intending to "promote" them here or anywhere, I was simply answering a question. Sorry.

They used to have a website which listed all the results, trade by trade (and honestly, as well) but I understand that they have removed it because they are not really concerned about selling signals any longer. I intend to ask them under what circumstances they will re-think this and I'll let you know if I hear anything of interest, if you like.
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Ok thanks alot.
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Re: Do you earn 300 pips in 1 month?

So anyway ...back to this whole 'how many pips a month crap'....

Forget about counting up our pips every month. Trading has nothing to do with pips and everything to do with your equity curve.

Remember you could have a positive pip count and a negative balance.
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Re: Do you earn 300 pips in 1 month?

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So anyway ...back to this whole 'how many pips a month crap'....

Forget about counting up our pips every month. Trading has nothing to do with pips and everything to do with your equity curve.

Remember you could have a positive pip count and a negative balance.

Please explain. I can't see how one can have positive pips month after month and be in the red. I can see how a trader can have a winning percentage and still be in the red: 7 winners for 20 pips each. 3 losers for 60 pips each. But how do you mean positive pips and negative balance?
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