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Old 04-11-2005, 23:38   #25
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Re: Forex as a system... Who benefits? What internal rules exist in FX?

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Nice post Tommyfx..

I have almost 2 years of forex exp now but still working hard to get the consistent profits.

When I started on Forex, I spent 2 whole months just to study the prospects and potentials of this field. Till I became completely satisfied that this is not another online casino game, I never touched any Forex book to study TA.
Once I got the complete faith, I never turned back. I gained this faith after doing careful research on my own and never buying other's view. That faith is growing day by day and keeps me working hard to reach the goal.

Shan

and which broker do you work for sir?

Do you work for their outsourcing partner?
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Old 04-11-2005, 23:42   #26
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Forex is a gambling game where the broker always has the last laugh. There is no mathematical or statistical theory that can explain forex movement.
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Old 05-11-2005, 03:35   #27
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Re: Forex as a system... Who benefits? What internal rules exist in FX?

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Forex is a gambling game where the broker always has the last laugh.
Yes, but 10% of traders too.

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There is no mathematical or statistical theory that can explain forex movement.
One day, if you become successful trader, you will understand why this statement is wrong.
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Old 05-11-2005, 05:34   #28
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Re: Forex as a system... Who benefits? What internal rules exist in FX?

"Forex is a gambling game where the broker always has the last laugh. There is no mathematical or statistical theory that can explain forex movement."

So metal, are you saying that the reason price on eurodollar was so reluctant to break below 1.1930 and had been trying to do so since April was nothing to do with buying demand keeping it up? It was not predictable? And all the traders that bought at this level were also foolish gamblers that got lucky? Did the fact that the Trichet give a negative speech implying interest hikes were less likely than the market had thought combined with positive US data have nothing to do this level giving way? Was the fact there were an estimated 5bln Euro's worth of sell stop orders below this long held support just a random fluke that all the major players in the market randomly put their orders there (of course it is just a fluke because the markets cant be predicted, that support was just a random phenomenon like when we see support lines drawn on randomly generated graphs) geez those governments and banks sure are suckers thinking that a support level is an area where prices are bought back. I'm sorry but i've never heard anything more ridiculous.

And my most important question, are you a trader? If so how do you trade if you think the markets are unpredictable and methods such as support and resistance levels i have just described are pointless because "no mathematical or statistical theory that can explain forex movement"?

It is said 95% of traders are losers, yeah maybe at FXCM where people open an account with £500 trade 1-2 mini lot a position, thus risking about 10% of their account on a trade, they cut their winners early, experiment with pointless theories and within 5-10 trades they have blown their account.
You walk into a trading flooer at a bank and see whether that 95% statistic stacks up there, 95% are successful more like. And no it isnt because they have inside knowledge/drastically improved prices etc etc because i have traded for a firm. Sure the spreads are better and the prices move a little quicker when sourcing from multiple banks, but they use support and resistance levels, they follow the trend, they stand aside when markets are choppy, they do everything experienced traders tell you to do on these boards, there is no conspiracy, there is no fixing, you are just an unsuccessful trader and i guarantee when you start understanding how the market works you will feel so much better.

The reason why there is no mathmatical formula that can be programmed to beat the markets (i touched on this in a previous post) is because the markets are about psychology and human emotion, if you programmed a computer buy every support sell every resistance, it wouldnt make money i dare say, the reason isnt because they dont work, its because a computer cant analyse price action, market sentiment, the psychology of the market to decide if we are heading for a bounce, a break or a fake break. All newbies think they can say if x happens then so will y, when it doesnt thay say markets are random, which is rubbish, you are just inexperienced.
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Old 05-11-2005, 11:40   #29
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Yes, but 10% of traders too.
Where did you get this number? The only successful party in forex trading is the broker.

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One day, if you become successful trader, you will understand why this statement is wrong.
Perhaps you can enlighten me and state the mathematical theory behind forex trading.
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Old 05-11-2005, 13:48   #30
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Re: Forex as a system... Who benefits? What internal rules exist in FX?

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The only successful party in forex trading is the broker.

If that were true, the market would not exist.

Perhaps it's time to re-assess your strategy!
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Old 05-11-2005, 14:57   #31
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Re: Forex as a system... Who benefits? What internal rules exist in FX?

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Forex is a gambling game where the broker always has the last laugh. There is no mathematical or statistical theory that can explain forex movement.

I'm simply wondering why you guys who think Forex is just gambling spend so much time on it. For your kind information, I had blown many accounts so far and last one being amounting to $4K. I know what I'm doing and these losses do not mean that brokers or Market have cheated me. I'm the one who had no idea about trading and learnt a lot of lessons from these losses. I have started doing way much better nowadays and the brokers or Market have not changed any better suddenly. It is tough to help you guys who don't want to accept your mistakes and keep putting the blame some where else.

Metal, could you please let us all know how many years you have been trading live to come to this conclusion? What Strategies/systems you tried so far? Have you been following Money management, R/R ratio, Maximum Drawdown while trading live? Are you doing ST/MT/LT trading? What are the currency pairs you have been doing so far and which trading session you used to do? Please provide info and let us all discuss and decide whether Trading is gambling or not?

Shan

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Old 05-11-2005, 18:40   #32
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Re: Forex as a system... Who benefits? What internal rules exist in FX?

I sense a lot of frustration in this thread...

What is it that you people are searching for?

The way i see it, short term failure can be dealt with in a few ways:
1. Accept defeat and give up
2. Try again using the same approach/methods.... and most likely be defeated again
3. Take a step back, see what you can learn from the past and try again.
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