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Old 21-02-2005, 10:41   #57
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Re: The learning cycle for a newbie trader

Hi everyone,
I am another newbie on the block! I attended a generic 3 day course in Oct 2004 covering on line trading (options, fx, futures). I decided to concentrate on fx as I found it easier to understand than others which involved a lot more fundamentals and research etc.
I have been paper trading for about 2 months, reading a lot on trading TAs and analysing myself how I react to when trading (greed/fear). I must say I am between stage 1 & 2 and I have read this thread from the begining and I must say all that everybody has discussed is very valid and applies to each and everyone of us in different ways some more and some less!
I have been day trading and have not had a lot of success and I THINK my problem is jumping between time frames 5, 30 60min, getting out too soon etc. I will appreciate if anyone can share their system how they set eg. what time frame they look at first, what do they look for, what and how they use their indicators in relation to the charts.
I would like to apologize in advance if I am on the wrong thread and if my questions are basic - please guide me to the right location.

Thanx
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Old 21-02-2005, 11:46   #58
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Re: The learning cycle for a newbie trader

welcome along me4x, glad you could join us .

youre certainly in the right place for systems talk but maybe not the right thread

have a look at the topics covered in the systems and methodologies area and you'll find more than enough to satisfy your level 2 cravings
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Old 21-02-2005, 19:29   #59
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Re: The learning cycle for a newbie trader

38-STEPS TO BECOMING A
SUCCESSFUL TRADER

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Steps to Successful Commodities Futures Trading
as published in Commodity Futures Trading Club News
and in Traders Organization's Real Success Daytrading Course


1. We accumulate trading information - buying books, going to seminars and researching.
2. We begin to trade with our 'new' knowledge.
3. We consistently 'donate' and then realize we may need more knowledge or information.
4. We accumulate more information.
5. We switch the commodities we are currently following.
6. We go back into the market and trade with our 'updated' knowledge.
7. We get 'beat up' again and begin to lose some of our confidence. Fear starts setting in.
8. We start to listen to 'outside news' & other traders.
9. We go back into the market and continue to donate.
10. We switch commodities again.
11. We search for more trading information.
12. We go back into the market and continue to donate.
13. We get 'overconfident' & market humbles us.
14. We start to understand that trading success fully is going to take more time and more knowledge then we anticipated.
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Many Traders Will Give up at this Point as
they Realize Work is Involved

15. We get serious and start concentrating on learning a 'real' methodology.
16. We trade our methodology with some success, but realize that something is missing.
17. We begin to understand the need for having rules to apply our methodology.
18. We take a sabbatical from trading to develop and research our trading rules.
19. We start trading again, this time with rules and find some success, but overall we still hesitate when it comes time to execute. We start trading again, this time with rules and find some success, but overall we still hesitate when it comes time to execute.
20. We add, subtract and modify rules as we see a need to be more proficient with our rules.
21. We go back into the market and continue to donate. We go back into the market and continue to donate.
22. We start to take responsibility for our trading results as we understand that our success is in us, not the trade methodology.
23. We continue to trade and become more proficient with our methodology and our rules.
24. As we trade we still have a tendency to violate our rules and our results are erratic.
25. We know we are close.
26. We go back and research our rules.
27. We build the confidence in our rules and go back into the market and trade.
28. Our trading results are getting better, but we are still hesitating in executing our rules.
29. We now see the importance of following our rules as we see the results of our trades when we don't follow them.
30. We begin to see that our lack of success is within us (a lack of discipline in following the rules because of some kind of fear) and we begin to work on knowing ourselves better.
31. We continue to trade and the market teaches us more and more about ourselves.
32. We master our methodology and trading rules.
33. We begin to consistently make money. We begin to consistently make money.
34. We get a little overconfident and the market humbles us.
35. We continue to learn our lessons.
36. We stop thinking and allow our rules to trade for us (trading becomes boring, but successful) and our trading account continues to grow as we increase our contract size.
37. We are making more money then we ever dreamed to be possible.
38. We go on with our lives and accomplish many of the goals we had always dreamed of.
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Just came across this little tidbit. Working on 32 myself! One more step till the party starts
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Re: The learning cycle for a newbie trader

Soultrader,

Excellent thread!

Bobnat,

You're the man!



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Old 22-02-2005, 04:15   #61
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Re: The learning cycle for a newbie trader

Hi ST,

I read this thread from the first day you posted. congrats 'coz it's an excellent one. I decided to post now 'coz I just finished to read "trading in the zone" by douglas and found many things related to your posts. he's stating almost the same : regardless of the edge, you and your discipline are the key to consistency in trading .

good trading to all
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Old 26-02-2005, 18:13   #62
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Re: The learning cycle for a newbie trader

I think all of us with at least some live trading experience sees the TRUTH in this thread !!!!!
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Old 26-02-2005, 21:11   #63
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Re: The learning cycle for a newbie trader

thank u soultrader.

a really appreciate your insight .
am a beginner myself. just starting my demo account.
i agree finding your trading niche does take time,as i learnt in trading stocks.
however i also think its imperitive that we do our home work
for me my mistakes were as a result of failing to do my home work.
i just like to ask you what were your mistakes.?
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Re: The learning cycle for a newbie trader

Thats a big question my friend.

and heres a list
  • Underestimating the power of trends in forex
  • overtrading
  • over leverage
  • top and bottom picking
  • lack of discipline
  • not having a thought out plan
  • revenge trading
  • listening to others too much
  • reading too much rubbish
  • lack of patience
  • being a system wh**e
  • trading too many pairs
  • thinking this would be easy (although eventually proved right )
and im sure there are many others that ive forgotten and are now a part of my unconcious processes

hope this helps
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