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Old 18-09-2003, 11:28   #9
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Thumbs up Good to hear Pete!!!

It's one thing to read about successful traders in Market Wizards and I agree with csaunders that it is really inspirational stuff, but I find it even more inspirational to read about a "normal" guy like you who is doing well!!

Keep it up and keep posting and keep us up to date with that little 23/27 CHF system!!
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Old 19-09-2003, 03:36   #10
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Good to hear

Good to hear Pete - I don't think there are many like you. I'm trading part-time which does make it tough since the "beauty of firewalls" prevents one from staying connected during working hours- plus obviously one's employer is not too enamoured with the idea of your focus being elsewhere...

I've devised a part-time strategy which fits in with only being able to trade in short spurts - although I'm starting to look at longer term trades now that my capital has grown allowing me the luxury of large stops i.e. for me impossible to trade over the long run with 20 pip stops - probably more like 50.

A question: Do you trade exclusively with technical analysis or does the fundamentals play a role at all - or a combination?

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Old 19-09-2003, 06:15   #11
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Thanks guys!

Makes a change from what I usually get from my 'better' half, "you spend all your time trading, moan moan", she doesn't mind spending the money though! She thinks pips grow on trees, inside oranges probably

I'm still trying to get more info on the 27/23, but so far it works pretty well, and strangely agrees with my TA, weird.

Cliff, I was looking at longer term trading a few weeks ago. I'm thinking of leaving a position on a pair I don't trade daily and seeing what happens. It would have to be something where the interest covered the spread on the roll-over. Like you say, wide stops, I wonder if I could handle that and sleep at night...hmmm!

Fundamentals and data. I don't think any trader can afford to ignore fundamentals altogether, but I don't trade because of them. I believe it's helpful to get a general feeling of market sentiment towards a country's economy but then so much of it is hype, spin, and manipulation, look at the US as a classic example. Data is a definite market mover as you know, but how data is interpreted by the market is a mystery sometimes. My policy is that news and data can explain the reason for a move, but can't be relied on to predict one, and we're in the speculating business where we need to know what's going to happen before it happens! I tend to trade what I see on the screen in front of me, it can't lie.

Anyway, where's the other traders who are making money, this isn't an IRS enquiry!

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Old 19-09-2003, 07:38   #12
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'nerves of steel' email

A guy just emailed me asking about 'nerves of steel' and where he could get some. I was going to reply by email but thought it might be ok to post it here and maybe it could help (confuse!) someone else too. To the guy who mailed me, why not join in the discussions on here, we all started somewhere and there are no questions too stupid to ask (and I should know, I've asked most of them!)

So anyway...it's a bit long and you might get bored half way through but as the market's like watching grass grow.......

Hi xxxx, thanks for your email, it's always nice to speak with other traders.

Are you trading at the moment? Live or demo?

Forex trading is a lot easier than some people would have us believe, but it requires discipline. If you have a workable strategy, and the discipline to only trade that strategy, you will make money, guaranteed. Where a lot of traders go wrong and lose vast amounts of money is by making trades that do not meet the criteria required by their strategy. They start to listen to other people's ideas and follow trades, they trade on a whim when they think a currency will move a certain way, they trade data, they let losses run out of control hoping the market will turn, they take the first profit available...none of that comes within their trading strategy and they ultimately lose. It's human nature unfortunately, we are impulsive. Retailers spend millions of dollars a year finding ways to exploit that impulsive urge in us. To be a successful trader we need to control our impulsive urges and discipline ourselves to obey our strategy without exception, we know it works, and we must stick to it in order to be successful.

With absolute discipline comes control. We will have total control over ourselves and only trade exactly what our strategy says we should trade and in a way it says we should trade it, no exceptions, none.

So now we have discipline and control we can trade our strategy without hesitation or deviation. Once our strategy has signalled a trade and even before we have entered the market we already know what the outcome will be. We will either gain, break even, or lose, there are no other choices. Our gains can be either a set amount that we decided to make each trade, or trailed with stops. Break even speaks for itself. Losses will be the amount of pips our strategy dictates we should risk. There are no unknowns, we know without any doubt what can happen because we have disciplined ourselves to trade our strategy and not deviate from it.

A classic example of losing control....you enter a trade and set a stop in your mind of 30 pips. You are confident the trade will come good, everyone on MoneyTec said it would, even your Auntie Freda said it would. The price goes the wrong way by 10....15....20....25.....30 pips, it's time to close, but instead you wait because it may come back. The price moves away further....35....40....45, oh no, this wasn't the plan. Ok, I'll close at what I said I would for -30 when it comes back....the price moves further....50....55....60, oh no, I cannot afford to lose that much, it is bound to come back, it has to, I'll close at -40 when it retraces.....65.....70.....75...no way! I'm not closing now and losing all that money, no way!.....80.....85...., ok ok I'll close for -50 when it comes, damn I knew I should have taken -50, please, ok -60 then, please?...90......95.....100, oh shit I better close, it could go anywhere...closed for -100. Shit and xxxx and xxxxx's, that's all this weeks gains down the crapper!

Now desperate to get back your losses you'll trade anything that moves, roll on more losses....and more losses, and maybe the odd profit pip grabbed here and there.

We've all been there, we've had reccuring nightmares about it!

Discipline = control = nerves of steel

Take no prisoners, you're in this game to make a killing not get killed

Plan the trade, and trade the plan....no exceptions.

Hope that helps!

Pete
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Great post Pete!

Alexander Elder talks about reaching ROCK-BOTTOM like an alcoholic before you will be honest and desperate enough to make the changes necessary for survival.

To reach rock-bottom, admit it to yourself and others and then make the changes necessary to become a disciplined trader is not easy - that is why more than 90% of traders are losers.

Pete, do you want to share a bit about what you did to get there? Maybe you can share some simple (or complex) techniques that you used to change you mind-set?

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Pete, I'm glad to see that the market has not quelmed your humour Thanks for providing some laughs and some good insight.

It also seems like we have only one trader here making a living from trading - quite scary - although maybe indicates rabid indiscipline is ravaging the world.

To condense your response it seem discipline is the number one rule and paramount to success. I have to concur although my trades are short (still emotional and sweaty-palmed even after 2 years!) they are highly controlled with rules that cannot be broken. e.g. have a phone next to me with every trade so if the system goes on the blink at a crucial moment I can make a call - Murphy does have an obscene sense of humour at times.

Based on your response I gather you are a day trader - can you recommend any good day-trading books that you have learnt from? I'm reading Market Wizards at the moment and very interesting. Atlhough it seems like alot of these guys were involved in markets at times when they were less efficient, or they worked at market makers and have some form of inside info - e..g ride larger offers from clients etc. - some sort of inside "edge" as one trader described.

I think making money without that inside edge is alot tougher - no easy money! Is there ever...

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Old 19-09-2003, 08:32   #15
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Some more gleaning...

Something I would also like to ask - which are your favourite crosses and any particular reasons?

USDCHF is a favourite of mine but probably for sentimental reasons (cheapest PIP value which attracts every beginner) plus it does have some volatile movements which are great for a "volatile trader"

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Gee I really don't like this "New not credible yet" tag under my name - what happened to "credible until proven not"
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