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Old 06-08-2003, 22:26   #9
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longer term system

Truville, it would be great if you could share with the rest of us your longer term, "position" strategy. If you have the time, I'm sure it would be very helpful.

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Old 07-08-2003, 06:38   #10
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Peteuk and everyone,

I've bounced back and forward between day & longer term trading and every time the thing that gets me reluctantly back to being glued to a screen is the money management: The size of the stops required to stay in long term trades requires a trading account around 100K/ 50k contract (approx). Add to this the o/n volatility risk and the final nail in the coffin is the weekend risk - huge! There are many posts here about the pain inflicted over a weekend.

Thus until I have a rather large trading account, I'll just have to stay screen mesmerised.

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Old 07-08-2003, 06:55   #11
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Day Trading

Hi Buff and every one,

you should move to sunny SA. I think we have the perfect time zone. I day trade from 08h00 our time until 17h30. I have also looked at my trading results in terms of time buckets during the day and have found that there are only two time periods that I am really successful. Thats is with the European open (08:30 to 10:30 London time) and the American Open (08:30 to 10:30).

I usually wait for the first move to start (sucker set-up) and then go with the second wave of the morning. I have been pretty successful so far! The only times I have not been successful is when I did not have the dicipline to wait for the first movement of the day to finish and then follow either the continuation of the first move or follow the new direction!

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Old 07-08-2003, 12:34   #12
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Dear Sopbeen


I trade SA time between 08h00 and 17h30. The rest of the time zones I have defined. A sucker set-up looks something like this:

between 07h30 and 08h30 SA time (about 06h30 to 07h30 London time) the market tends to trend (short-term) in a particular direction. But then it retraces. At this point I observe the price movement. Usually the market trends for the rest of the morning n the opposite dirtection to the initial movement (I call this the sucker set-up, because the market starts the day in a particular direction and continues in its real and generally opposite direction for the rest of the morning! However, if the market continues in the original direction I would obviously just go with the flow!
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Old 07-08-2003, 14:01   #13
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Shorter vs. Longer term Trading

The main difference between short vs longer term is the strength of support and resistance. No real market movers ever look at 5 minute charts, so it doesn't have large order support. The real moves happen when Daily, weekly and monthly support is broken. The chance that it hold is much better as well, so if you have gd daily support the odds that the market goes though it on the first try is rare, so buy a head of it. There is nothing wrong with scalping that is why I put on 2 units and scalp 1 and let the other 1 go for a bit (med-term). A chart signal is a chart signal no matter the time frame, the bigger the time frame the bigger the players looking at it.
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ST & LT trading

Ifsclusa,

how do you determine daily support? Do you use trenlines. If the market is trending where do find the daily support levels to scalp from or do you just go with the trend?
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Old 07-08-2003, 22:09   #15
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Hi Everbody, Well, well, where to start! In my first(and last) Forex course, we were urged by each instructor, to use his favorite trading method/time frame. That had us looking at every conceivable indicator combination, as well as the weekly, daily, 4hr., 2hr., hr., 30m., 15m. 5m., 1m., and even tick charts! We were confused and overwhelmed. Many gave up, before ever trading at all. Most of those, who did start trading and persevered, lost megabucks in the beginning, while labelling it additional "tuition" to appease themselves. Since losing real money does a number on my confidence, I set out to find a path thru the "Forex forest" that would be both comfortable and profitable for me. It took me the better part of 2 years to find that path. Books and courses gave me information about the entire field of the Forex. What they didn't do was give me, as a beginner, a starting point and map, so I could figure out how I could find step 1 and get to step 2, etcetera. I didn't give up, because I saw the great potential in the Forex for us all to escape from the slavery of working for someone else, have time to spend with our families and do good in this world. Using my academic training in Adult Education, I became a self-directed student and taught myself. Instead of thousands of pages of material in books, I ended up with about 10 pages of material, that became my step-by-step guide/workbook. I'll share some ideas from it here, as they relate to the discussion. One very basic concept is to assume the attitude of the sceptic. Verify, for yourself, every tip/recommendation offered to you. It's only by checking things out for yourself, that you can become confident and calm in your trading. You are a dynamic (as opposed to fixed/static) personality trading in a dynamic market. Unless you understand that, you will jump in/out too soon, wait too long to exit and second-guess yourself thru the entire process. Also, if you view the market as static, you will keep applying strategies that no longer reflect market behavior. Talk about stress! Time frame only enters into the equation, here, if you are trading in a time frame that's not suited to your personality. You can get a hint by considering this: If you view making time-pressured decisions as an exciting challenge, you may be happy daytrading. If it takes you until the next morning to think of the "perfect comeback", you'll probably be happy swing-trading. There are many profitable moves in every time frame. (IMHO, scalping and daytrading has been pushed in the media because brokers make more, the more frequently the trader trades. Unfortunately, not all of us do our best trading in short-term time frames.) Once I determined my personality was better suited to swing-trading, I was able to eliminate a bunch of info, focus on the relevant and take the next step on the path. I discovered it was better to use only a couple of indicators, but 1 had to show me the trend and the other had to show me short-term movement. I find the 4 hour chart very useful for entry. Check it out. Suzanne
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Just on your last point Suz.. I find the 4 hr chart useful too...
Seems not too noisy/choppy, but short enough time to get nice runs out of ... few days... week ... 20 days... or so ...
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