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Old 03-08-2004, 09:02   #9
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Re: Re: Re: Market movers

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Yeah, and money flow.
Hi Baruch. Do you think there is a way we can gauge the flow?
Is it like reading the "order flow" in FXCM's news software? Thank you..
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Old 03-08-2004, 09:32   #10
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Market movers

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Hi Baruch. Do you think there is a way we can gauge the flow?
Is it like reading the "order flow" in FXCM's news software? Thank you..

Hi darmasdt,

I don't know FCXM's news software. Could you tell some more? l.
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Old 03-08-2004, 20:51   #11
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Lightbulb Market Sentiment

Darma,

It would be helpful to plan our actions. What will we do when the situation goes THIS way and what will we do when the situation goes THAT way? Including the reasoning, of course.

That way, when things don't go along with OUR expectation, we should've got ourselves prepared for the worst. Of course, things can get worse than the worst.

Baruch,

Now that you mentioned it, most members here probably just doing speculative trade. There are REAL trades, the real, physical demand for one currency to another. These REAL trades, actually, that I believe drive where the market moves. This, of course, includes large funds. Individual traders who play small lots may not influence the overall market at all. Only our brokers know whether our trades actually traded in the interbank market. Which, given the old-time statistical fact that most people lose in this kind of speculative business, the brokers will profit better to pocket the money themselves rather than dispatching it somewhere else.

Anyway, REAL trade such as M&A activities (mergers and acquisitions) between MNCs usually won't rely too much on payroll data. I could hardly imagine if corporate A in U.S. that wants to buy corporate B in U.K. will say, I'll wait for payroll data before I exchange the currencies, who knows the payrolls will be good and I could get the pound cheaper. Heck, what if he/she missed? The whole acquisition process will be jeopardized. Rather, such event usually dealt with a less risky means, such as buying forwards. So, the transaction is not dictated by merely economic data, but rather, by business needs. But we, speculative traders have no such need for the physical form. So, economic data and other external events are more important.

It is not economic data that solely leads the way. If that's the case, USD/JPY should've been below Y105.00 by now. The GDP growth gap between US and JPY was so big that the pair didn't deserve to rally towards 112.00 a week ago.

What? Rate differentials? Yeah, that'll explain. But why GBP/USD, EUR/USD, NZD/USD, and AUD/USD dropped when it is crystal clear that UK, EU, NZ, and Australia have bigger interest rates than the one in US?

What? The Fed's gonna hike so interest rate gap will narrow? Yeah, sure. That works for EUR/USD, NZD/USD, and AUD/USD. That's not the case with GBP/USD. Interest rate is expected to rise this week by at least 25 bp. Some even getting ecstatic to expect a 50bp rise.

So, what's the cause? Simply the market is still in love with dollar. It's more of "favor" issue than economic issues. Yen's strengh has been dampened too, by this "I love dollar-syndrome". Why would the market suddenly prefer the dollar? Uncle Greenspan talked it up a few weeks ago.

Hmm... got too lenghty. I guess that's all for now.
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Old 03-08-2004, 21:57   #12
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Market movers

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Hi darmasdt,
I don't know FCXM's news software. Could you tell some more? l.
You may install the fxcm's demo software, and then install the news plug-in, described more here: http://www.fxcm.com/news.html .
There is an order flow section in the news software, that indicate whre the "big money" are placing their stops and limits.
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Old 03-08-2004, 22:06   #13
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Hi eternalfuture,
So I guess how the market moved is still a mystery for us here.
When a pair is in a tight range, it can break upward or downward without any fundamental news happening. It just do it with no reason at all.
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Old 03-08-2004, 23:19   #14
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Here's a good article on trading the news

http://www.pfxtrade.com/news/commentary.asp?Act=V&ID=475&Se=&SeP=12&SF=

Here is a great web site for explaining things

http://fidweek.econoday.com/calendar/US/EN/New_York/year/2004/month/08/day/03/daily/index.html

And here is some real food for thought. This from an article by a 20 yr forex trader

I have been trading news for a long time; as traders catch on I know the window of opportunity will slowly close; it has already begun. On-line brokers are refusing to accept stop loss entry orders around significant news time. Currencies are moving 50 points or more within a minute of major release.



Banks are getting the “news trade” orders from the on-line brokers and waiting until the market becomes super-thin less than a minute to release time and then “running” the stops (forcing the market higher or lower to levels where significant amounts of stop loss orders are; the purpose is to eliminate event risk for the Bank and also to make profit from the orders). Obvious examples are April 8 and May 7 non-farm payrolls. On April 8 the EURUSD moved 50 points lower in two minutes prior to non-farm payroll release; on May 7 EURUSD moved 70 points higher in one minute prior to release.

Caveat Emptor
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Old 03-08-2004, 23:47   #15
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[Bhttp://fidweek.econoday.com/calendar/US/EN/New_York/year/2004/month/08/day/03/daily/index.html[/b]
Hi Bhale,
That was a nice site. Thank you
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The good thing with fundamental trading is that you have a reason to hold on to your position og let your profit run. You don't have this reason if you only trade TA.
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