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Old 23-09-2004, 07:01   #1
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Question How to determine daily trend

I wonder if any members can help me.I'm trying to determine the daily trend by using day charts, but there is a lot of room for human error.Is there any suggestions or recommendations on how to get the correct info from the chart.
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Old 25-09-2004, 08:46   #2
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Simplest way would be Ema crossover system.

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Re: How to determine daily trend

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Is there any suggestions or recommendations on how to get the correct info from the chart.

If there is no trend ....everybody wants to find it on chart.
If finaly trend appears everybody sees it and nobody is searching
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Old 27-09-2004, 12:45   #4
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on daily chart???

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Simplest way would be Ema crossover system.

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Would a ema crossover system on daily chart not be too late to try and determine the trend for an entry on hour chart??!!
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Old 27-09-2004, 13:45   #5
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First thing to determine is if there is a trend, not what it is.

There is no trend right now, so looking is futile - trade the range.

Once a trend develops you will see it quite easily. Use weekly trend lines or 20 Day EMA if you must trade with the trend.

But you will miss some of the best trades "against the trend"
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Gogga, some questions

Hi Gogga

I'm assuming that you want to determine the trend on a daily and then use it to trade on lower time frames in the same direction?

What would your holding period be i.e are you daytrading or position trading?

What time period do you normally ( or intend too) take your entries off?

Will you use scale entries?

Will you have fixed profit targets or profit zones based on sup/res etc?

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Thanks for the reply everybody.

To answer the questions of United 46


1)I would prefer to only hold trades for less than 24 hours, but if need to hold for days on end, i would not mind either.

2)15 min charts is were i would like to pin point my entries(use to use hour, but feels that i can get better entries on smaller timeframes)

3)I'm not a big fan of scaling into a position, but would rather get stopped and re enter at a better price.

4)Yes, profit taking have to be part of my trading plan

Hope to hear from you soon with some suggestions
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Gogga

Now for something which is hopefully more useful.

I use most of the old school techniques for determining trend i.e higher highs, higher lows, position relative to 50&200ema etc.

One of the best things I have found in agreement with elmgad2000 is using ema's. I use 8 and 20.

In simple terms, you want the 8 to be above 20 on 15,60 and daily to take a long and vice versa for shorts. I normally drop down to 5's for entry and it is nice if this confirms as well.

I do other trades outside of these criteria based on fib levels, pivots, other support, patterns etc but this technique is a useful filter for catching middle of moves.

I'll pick a bad example to show how effective it is.

USD/CHF This pair, like many is very choppy with frequent ma crosses, so not ideal. Like I said though, this shows how well this technique works.

On 21/9 a long black candle meant 8 crossed below 20 , thus we would be looking for shorts. Since then, on the daily, the 8 has remained below the 20.

On 22/9 on 60mins, the 8 crossed above 20 and stayed above for most of day, meaning no trades.

On 23/9 by gmt hours, the 8 had crossed below the 20 again. Obviously, this would also apply to 15. I then look for an opportunity to enter on a 5. Depending upon how agressive you are, there were 3 good entries between 1.2600 and 1.2580.

I personally always scale out and will take at least 1/2 off after 30 -50pips ( depends on pair and ATR) . The consolidation over the next 2 hours plus various other signs was opportunity to close at good profit on half of trade at least.

On 24/9 on 60, the 8 crossed under 20 again on 10-11 candle . on the 15, you got a recross below again at about 10.30gmt so short was looking a good option. It's then a case of finding a good entry. On the 15, the close below the 200ema and low of day was a good one ( you could also look at the fact that the currency has been making lower lows, lower highs ... downtrend anyone?)

Again the 30 pips were made on 1/2 and the remainder of the trade should have been closed at some sort of profit by anyones standards.

And so on. 26/9 gave one entry around 11.20ish. This was not as sucessful and depending upon exit criteria, resulted in a small gain /loss.

Today gave another excellent entry at 7.20-30 for 30+pips.

I have to stress this is not the main criteria I use. I like to scale in with entry before the crosses. However, I will always add when crosses occur, unless very strong support resistance is nearby.

I deliberately choose a pair that has a crappy chart to show this works. I normally trade GBY/JPY. This pair would present to good an argument at the moment.

To make it work, my main suggestions would be to have a good entry system on the timescale you trade. My suggestion is near the 8/20emas. Also, and you said you would do this.. scale out when you have a reasonable profit. This alone turned my from consistent but small losses to consistent gains. I look at a lot of the journals on here and see many trades that make it into profit, only to turn around into a loss because the profit target is maybe 70 - 100 pips away.

Bank some of those gains and life in Dubai will be sweet.

Good luck.

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