I am absolutely flabbergasted....

[mahras]

Indeed. In these forums if you even mention that your system is profitable they think you are a scam artist who is trying to sell systems. They will later say to give the system for free so they can "test" (aka lemme see if i can make free money).

[volvo264]

I cannot trust this nonsense of truville whatsoever. If you look at his old posts you will find that two years ago he was a trading newby and in only a short space of time he claims to have become such a trading wizard he can charge $550 a month! He has already displayed his racist credentials on one other thread here on moneytec this week and I happen to think that he may be a cheat too. Incidentally moneytec had to close that thread because of his racist rant a few days ago. I actually have a copy of the message from moneytec warning him not to insult people. Be careful of truville as he is nothing like as professional as the honest signal sellers that I have seen. From dealing with him on the net I can say he is one of the most culturally ignorant individuals I have ever encountered and I don’t see any evidence that he knows much about trading either.

As for his alleged 98 members why haven’t they come on this thread to speak about the amazing profits they have made? Where are all these happy, committed subscribers? In his mind? Furthermore I cant believe that this unprofessional racist actually expects people to just pay him $550 even though he has never even posted a single trade to demonstrate his supposed trading prowess or his trading knowledge.

I for one wouldn’t give $550 to a nasty ignorant racist scum who had not in any way demonstrated his trading credibility or his honesty. As a general rule I have no time for lowlife thieves that shamelessly lie and cheat other innocent people out of their hard earned money.


BUYER BEWARE!!!!!!!!


PS This is really my last word on this issue. I will not spend a second longer on this kind of individual dealing with ensuing cascade of lies I expect from him.

[bobnat]

Originally Posted by volvo264

I for one wouldn’t give $550 to a nasty ignorant racist scum who had not in any way demonstrated his trading credibility or his honesty. As a general rule I have no time for lowlife thieves that shamelessly lie and cheat other innocent people out of their hard earned money.
BUYER BEWARE!!!!!!!!

First off, you don't know if he is a cheat or not. If you have proof, then display it here for all to see.

Secondly, while I agree that his post didn't belong on these forums, I didn't see it as racist. I've spent the past 16 years teaching in universities in Turkey, Korea, Japan, Egypt, and the UAE. I've been to over 60 countries and to every continent save Antartica. I've got news for you, the whole damn world is racist. Not everyone is, but it exists in every country to extents you can't even begin to fathom.

There was lot of truth in what he says about the Arab world and my 7+ years here has given me more insight than whatever false notions you possess. You want to defend the Arabs against him, well get your butt over here and you'll truly experience racism. The Gulf Arabs are the most racist people I've ever seen and it plays out in this society everyday. I bet you've never left your hometown, or at best you've gone on vacation to 3 or 4 countries and now you think you're worldly.

Thirdly, you're libelous. Truville never used the language you just used, but do you think it's ok for you to slander him like that? Just because you THINK he's a racist, you THINK you have the moral high ground and that you can say whatever you want? People like you are no better than any racist, imo. If he's a racist, what are you, an idiot? You should be banned for your moronic rant, one that you wrote the other day, but was so incensed that you added it to it today.

As I said, if you have proof he's a cheat, then show us. Until then, keep your juvenile slander to yourself and spend your time discussing your ignorant opinions with your friends. The issue was dead because MoneyTec did the right thing by locking the thread, but your infantile anger couldn't be controlled and you stirred up the pot. Leave it be and spend your time trading.

Nat

[volvo264]

The point nevertheless stands bobnat my rather naive, ill mannered friend that he wants to charge $550/month for a service without any prior demonstration of skills or trading knowledge. Also look carfully at what I said. I didnt say he was a cheat I said he "may" be. My contention remains that if someone who has no proven trading skill wants to charge a ridiculously high $550 for their service then that is not a particularly equitable signal service. I have actually been through his posts and I dont see any kind of professional standard of trading ability whatsoever. Thats the proof. If he had that high level of skill, it would be evident in his posts which started in 2003. To take this argument further, the charge of a signal service should ideally be linked with the skill or quality of a trader and their trading performance and I dont see that happening here. Paying $550/month for a service which has no apparent credibility does not seem in any way equitable. Unfortunately there are plenty of fraudsters in the forex business and only a fool would take everything at face value.



Anyway, irrespective of what you and I think, where are the user opinions? He said he had 98 of them. Why have they kept quiet if indeed they exist at all? When stormygold is criticised his subscribers become very vocal. Where are the 98 subscribers of truville? Did they all become mute at the same time?

So when one adds racism to the above mix of criticisms I just dont see the behaviour of a professional signal seller evident from truville. When respected traders such as teamforex or stormygold started up in business they didnt behave like this at all. It was quite obvious they were knowledgable traders before they even charged a penny. Hence my original point stands in its entirety. Now of course if truville wants to demonstrate his trading excellence using collective2 or indeed moneytec I will humbly withdraw all I have said. But until he does my above concerns still stand.

And yes his deleted post was clearly racist and full of historically incorrect nonsense which you clearly didnt pick up on (so much for your so called academic experience) . Hence the flood of complaints about his posts which clearly many people found racially offensive. Truvilles comments were deliberately offensive and you know it. Bobnat you need to think a little more independently rather than getting carried away with superfical politics and propaganda. If you really had an intellectual mind (which you obviously dont) you would realise you just can't tar everyone with the same brush. It creates bitterness, resentment, anger and in any case its not as if we in the west are a bunch of angels although I do think we are much more advanced in numerous fields than the contentious countries in question.

Finally bob, as I qualified as a research academic (with both undergraduate and posgraduate research qualifications from a leading university) and now own several businesses I can honestly say I have seen all kinds of people, and I can tell you that the kind of human hatred that you appear to be tolerating is really a game for idiots. One cant take human hatred and and legitimise it by covering it in pseudo-facts, half-truths and pseudo-academic language. That fools nobody. Hatred is hatred irrespective of the false justifications one uses as an excuse to express it.

I am very sorry bob for your emotional, illiterate response but we are all entitled to one from time to time; especially you


PS With so many projects on the go I have better things to do than argue with individuals who are deliberately being mean-minded and hurtful . Hence I wont take this any further as I have no time to spend on such lowlife. Nevertheless my concerns over truvilles alleged signal service still stand. I will leave the torch for someone else to carry from this point onwards and wont respond any further as I have said my piece.

[Rangerdoc]

Originally Posted by volvo264

PS This is really my last word on this issue. I will not spend a second longer on this kind of individual dealing with ensuing cascade of lies I expect from him.
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I will leave the torch for someone else to carry from this point onwards and wont respond any further as I have said my piece.

That's twice you've said this. Please honor it this time.
Your arguments for your position seem to degenerate to namecalling each time. Please, for all our sakes', learn to argue a point based on the merits of the position, and try not resort to playground rhetoric.

[trendcatcher]

Volvo keep talking, your doing people a great service.
because if it saves one person from losing even $550,then its worth it.
i just heard teamforex just wiped out many accounts for the second time in a year.
These people have to be exposed and confronted so maybe it can save some people their hard earned money.

[mahras]

This thread clearly demostrates the fact that the people here view success in a negative light. So what that Team Forex went belly up. Now there are so many hedge funds going belly up but will you say not to invest with Jim Simons or DE Shaw? Thats a foolish method of attacking a poster.
Truville probably does DESERVE the 550 bucks subscription fee because otherwise he wouldnt have customers.
I suggest people stop being jealous of success as that will not breed success.

[reflections]

Hi,

I don't want to get in the middle of this, I am just someone trying to evaulate signal provders so that is why I ask this question.

Truville,

May I ask how long you have been in the signal business? Can you provide trading statements from a demo or real account? If so for what period of time?

These are ???'s I ask of all services I am considering as it allows me to evaulate them using consistent metrics.