( POLL ) What type of trader are you

[SoundFX]

Ditto. Swing trading rules.

[ajhardesty]

I'm definitely a scalper looking 20-50 quick pips then I am gone. I hate to have money on the line when I'm not watching it.

But I can turn into a day-trader if a trade goes against me. I don't mind holding a position for several hours or even overnight if I am convinced it will come back in my favor. I learned early on that most of the swings will come back to you if you can hle the dips.

[tonyj]

Originally Posted by ajhardesty

I'm definitely a scalper looking 20-50 quick pips then I am gone. I hate to have money on the line when I'm not watching it.

But I can turn into a day-trader if a trade goes against me. I don't mind holding a position for several hours or even overnight if I am convinced it will come back in my favor. I learned early on that most of the swings will come back to you if you can hle the dips.

Your hle seems familar.....one that was flaming me on an opinion. However...in high frequency trading you have to go into a substanital leverage beginning at 7X. That is in making a small account into a big account to become wealthy. If you're referring to investing then it would be 1x to 3x. 3 to 6 we are about to speculate. Unless you have something that we don't have your claim in getting 20 to 50 pips has to be damn good. Remember we all take losses...as small as possible. Most professinals that I know go for low pips high leverage....gunning for pips in the 6 to 12 range.... 7X then rev-ing up to 20X....even up to 100X. First of
all to get those kinds pips one has to have a market that is volatile liquid
with a very high average daily range....which we refer to as the "hook"...
a hook to hang your hat on. You can have your own version of an average
daily range....with something like 30 or 40 days. This can be programed into
your chart. The hook=ADR/bid-offer spread. So you can see that the spread
has a tremenously effect on the hook. EUR/USD is the only one that would
give you at least a better chance than any of the others. I saw an explan-
ation of an average daily range(50 days) of 108 pips. I didn't have any such
figures in tables. Mine were 90 being the highest... then I think that was
in the USD/CHF...maybe again closer to 100. But it's the spread that is the
demon in this whole setup. Many newer traders don't realize how this can
help blow the can up. You have to have a high hook to ensure sufficient
time/price opportunities in order to minimize the trading cost relative to the
magnitude of an average trade. So one would look to make profits in the
5% to 10% of the average daily range...which means you are shooting for
a 6-12 pips a day on EUR/USD on average. If you can make 6 EUR/USD
pips a day on 20X leverage in one year you will make a 1000% yield. I
would doubt that you are using a 20 times leverage with your trades.
Why?......because that kind of inefficiencies would be discovered
exploited by the market faster than you could blink your eye. Just remember
the market is smarter than any one of us. Someone said....Is the market
fooling you....or are you fooling yourself. There's other factors not
mentioned such as shortening the TP level skews the odds against you
exponentially....the spreads chews up the small edge any short term strategy
you may have. Your claim is interesting....to say the least.

ciao
Tony

[7thSignalTrader]

I trade four (4) different trajectories:

1) Initial Move (minutes to hours)
2) Day Trade (up to 24 hours)
3) Swing Trade (24 hours up to 5 days)
4) Outlook Trade (up to 1 month)

I use my Swing Trade is the great equalizer in case anything goes wrong with any Day Trade. I use the Outlook Trade as the great equalizer in case anything goes wrong with any Swing Trade.

No Outlook Trade has ever lost money so I don't have a back-up for that one.

[tonyj]

[quote=7thSignalTrader]I trade four (4) different trajectories:

1) Initial Move (minutes to hours)
2) Day Trade (up to 24 hours)
3) Swing Trade (24 hours up to 5 days)
4) Outlook Trade (up to 1 month)

I use my Swing Trade is the great equalizer in case anything goes wrong with any Day Trade. I use the Outlook Trade as the great equalizer in case anything goes wrong with any Swing Trade.

No Outlook Trade has ever lost money so I don't have a back-up for that one.[/QUOTE
7thSignal:

What is an Outlook trade? Am not familar with it. I'm a PNL'er....Point
Line Methodology. My explanation was in regard to small pips with high
leverage. You know of course that you can gun for 6 pips easier than in
gunning for 20 pips or higher. If you can consistantly get 6 pips then you
should be able in a reasonable amount of time get sufficient funds to shoot
for 20X 25X etc....even up to 100X. It's just that the hook if programed
into your chart can give you an idea of where the mine fields may pop up.
Actually you really should be scalping day trade during a trend run...
a congestion is an invitation to Lucifier's Slopchute shoveling coal.
What most traders don't realize how deceiving the bid/ask spread can be.
The best is EUR/USD by far than any other crosses. Good trading to you.

Addendum: The poll is asking the wrong question.....Why?
There are two kinds of markets ONLY two kinds of markets. There
are five kinds of trades ONLY five kinds of trades. No matter what the
market does it has to abide by the conventional patterns of 5 kinds of
trading. Each one is different.... that is the problem. 90% get
blown out of the box. They didn't tell you that in any of the forex courses..
....did they?
ciao
Tony

[7thSignalTrader]

[quote=tonyj]

Originally Posted by 7thSignalTrader

I trade four (4) different trajectories:

1) Initial Move (minutes to hours)
2) Day Trade (up to 24 hours)
3) Swing Trade (24 hours up to 5 days)
4) Outlook Trade (up to 1 month)

I use my Swing Trade is the great equalizer in case anything goes wrong with any Day Trade. I use the Outlook Trade as the great equalizer in case anything goes wrong with any Swing Trade.

No Outlook Trade has ever lost money so I don't have a back-up for that one.[/QUOTE
7thSignal:

What is an Outlook trade? Am not familar with it. I'm a PNL'er....Point
Line Methodology. My explanation was in regard to small pips with high
leverage. You know of course that you can gun for 6 pips easier than in
gunning for 20 pips or higher. If you can consistantly get 6 pips then you
should be able in a reasonable amount of time get sufficient funds to shoot
for 20X 25X etc....even up to 100X. It's just that the hook if programed
into your chart can give you an idea of where the mine fields may pop up.
Actually you really should be scalping day trade during a trend run...
a congestion is an invitation to Lucifier's Slopchute shoveling coal.
What most traders don't realize how deceiving the bid/ask spread can be.
The best is EUR/USD by far than any other crosses. Good trading to you.

Addendum: The poll is asking the wrong question.....Why?
There are two kinds of markets ONLY two kinds of markets. There
are five kinds of trades ONLY five kinds of trades. No matter what the
market does it has to abide by the conventional patterns of 5 kinds of
trading. Each one is different.... that is the problem. 90% get
blown out of the box. They didn't tell you that in any of the forex courses..
....did they?
ciao
Tony

Tony

I agree - my first thought when I read the question was "false premise" = "false question". The math is easy. You can be more than one type of trader at the same time too. Which is a smart way to manage preserve capital.

The Outlook Trade in my system is one that runs at least one (1) month in duration but can run up to as many as 5 months or more. Right now my system is projecting the Outlook Trade to be up to 5 months targeting the $1.2450 level at the time of this post.

However because the systems targeting package is dynamic those targets get changed with every tic. Only with the Outlook Trade the changes in the target projections are less than a few pips per day unless there is a major move like we had a couple weeks ago where the Outlook's top side was $1.2300. At the time the current price was in the $1.1700 range.

Those pips are what you see in my trade journal on the "Outlook" trade profile where the system used the open price of January in the $1.1820 level. So a Long Hold when the system gave that entry price at the start of January would have net 505 pips thus far before this 226+ pull back that we are seeing right now about one (1) month ago.

Agreed smaller pips are by definition easier than larger pips I have some of the built into my system with the Initial Move trade under certain circumstances the Day trade itself gets truncated when the system does not have a strong enough probability associated with the trade.

You are correct. In fact many people would be totally blown away if they were to calculate what just 5 pips per day could net them if the were able to accumulate those pips consistently on a daily basis using high leverage like 200:1 or even 100:1.

Those peanuts add up really fast! Pretty soon you are talking about some real peanut "butter".

[tonyj]

[quote=7thSignalTrader]

Originally Posted by tonyj

Tony

I agree - my first thought when I read the question was "false premise" = "false question". The math is easy. You can be more than one type of trader at the same time too. Which is a smart way to manage preserve capital.

The Outlook Trade in my system is one that runs at least one (1) month in duration but can run up to as many as 5 months or more. Right now my system is projecting the Outlook Trade to be up to 5 months targeting the $1.2450 level at the time of this post.

However because the systems targeting package is dynamic those targets get changed with every tic. Only with the Outlook Trade the changes in the target projections are less than a few pips per day unless there is a major move like we had a couple weeks ago where the Outlook's top side was $1.2300. At the time the current price was in the $1.1700 range.

Those pips are what you see in my trade journal on the "Outlook" trade profile where the system used the open price of January in the $1.1820 level. So a Long Hold when the system gave that entry price at the start of January would have net 505 pips thus far before this 226+ pull back that we are seeing right now about one (1) month ago.

Agreed smaller pips are by definition easier than larger pips I have some of the built into my system with the Initial Move trade under certain circumstances the Day trade itself gets truncated when the system does not have a strong enough probability associated with the trade.

You are correct. In fact many people would be totally blown away if they were to calculate what just 5 pips per day could net them if the were able to accumulate those pips consistently on a daily basis using high leverage like 200:1 or even 100:1.

Those peanuts add up really fast! Pretty soon you are talking about some real peanut "butter".

7thSignal...
You I have the same kind of system..(I hate the word "system") in which
there is that heart or soul which all the others don't have. I too have that
one ingredient which would track the market up to a year beyond if one
wanted by that time you've gained the coffers to do so. I am an old
man now an octogenarian....had made mine in commodities am only back
on the scene with forex. Only for a look-see. Because I have a son who is
trading I'm helping him. But the market in my day was different. The
market is still the market. But in most of my trading we didn't have the
computer. The computer came in at the end of my trading days. Where
I ended up using the DTN...satellite disk. Otherwise it was necessary to
be at the Broker's office to use the quoting machine. we drew up our
own charts. It's different today....all around. Now you have the Forex with
which just a few dollars one can open an account. You have free quotes...
we didn't. You had to pay for it. It's like you going to the super market
paying to find out the price for a loaf of bread. Even if I am an experience
trader....it doesn't amount to a hill of beans. I do have some something to
compare to.... the Fat Lady hasn't changed her garter belt one bit. It's
just the same old song but a different Fat Lady doing the singing..... the
shot glass has a different br of booze. the pick pocketers haven't
changed their style their smile is still the same as that of a bedbug after
his fill. You have a better chance to make a bundle...even make a living
doing it. At least now....you can try flipping the quarter.... you know
it could come up head or tails. In my day....you weren't always sure...
the guy doing the flipping would run off with the coin.... he was the
fastest man on the track team. He'd even start off in a kneeling position.
Have good trading....
ciao
Tony

[7thSignalTrader]

Tony you remind me of a time that I remember through study only. I studied the times that you speak of Sir.

Creating Charts by h. Yes!

I remember reading about this you are not kidding one bit. That is exactly the way it used to be. I don't think the average young trader today knows the history of this business - they should so they can appreciate all of the technology at our finger tips today. Many new traders don’t even know that once upon a time you had to create your own charts.

My my – how much things have changed now!

I made my first million using Microsoft Excel. A millione using a Spreadsheet – who’d a thunk it?. Creating a new trading technology using a Spreadsheet created by a man who created an entire new industry using IBM's software. Everybody in the chain using something that somebody else created. How pretty is that picture - darn pretty!

I think it all boils down to how bad does one want it. Some of these new traders fall apart at the seams if things don’t work out quickly for them. Too many ForexMadeEasy types flying around out there fooling everybody into thinking that this business is easy. It is not it is extremely hard to make it – it is even more difficult to thrive. I feel truly blessed. I feel like I’ve been given a special gift that is why I spend so much of my time trying to encourage other new traders to start thinking outside the box. Most of them just don’t get it however.

My next target is the 10 figure level just a soon as I can get completely out of the final development phase of certification focus 100% of my time on trading. My grind is day-in day-out. Simply turning over the same capital day after day after day after day reinvesting 90% of all of my profits on each ever single trade.

That kind of discipline if you can maintain high accuracy will pay off even if you don't turn 100 pips per day. A hful of pips per day consistently over a period of time with good leverage can lead to very good gains - but the accuracy must be there I think this is what separates the early days of retail trading what I do now as a private institutional trader.

I could not do what I do without the technology on several levels. High-speed network communications direct access trading avenues computer based decision support trading technology client/server trading platforms the ability to trade through any bank anywhere in the world or any broker anywhere in the world in real-time electronic EFT's forward backward - the opening of the FX markets to the individual more than 6 years ago. All of this makes for a real opportunity for the wise creative hard working trader.

I absolutely live every single minute of it. Good trading to your son I’m sure you will teach him well!

Nice dialoging with you Sir.