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[Depth Trade]

Here's a copy of one week from a live 100k account that I was trading during the same time as that T2W account link you post. That is a return of 1.4% in one week, you won't see these trades posted or the account posted. Why? because I don't post everything I do and do not post certain trades for certain reason. I assure you I can come up with many live statements to prove myself.

What I am doing here is working with a client on a private account, so you can either add to the discusion or leave. Either way I do know what I am talking about and am more than experienced too.

MIG Investments SAfficeffice" />>>

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Account:

Name:

Currency: USD

2005 November 18, 21:22

Closed Transactions:

Ticket

Open Time

Type

Lots

Item

Price

S / L

T / P

Close Time

Price

Commission

Swap

Profit

1539

2005.11.07 03:01

sell>>

0.30

audusd>>

0.7339>>

0.7525>>

0.0000

2005.11.11 21:00>>

0.7327>>

0.00>>

-7.20>>

36.00

1540

2005.11.07 03:01

sell>>

0.30

eurusd>>

1.1812>>

1.2090>>

0.0000

2005.11.11 21:00>>

1.1707>>

0.00>>

9.00>>

315.00

1541

2005.11.07 03:03

sell>>

0.30

gbpusd>>

1.7502>>

1.7825>>

0.0000

2005.11.11 21:01>>

1.7400>>

0.00>>

-7.38>>

306.00

1542

2005.11.07 03:04

buy>>

0.30

usdchf>>

1.3077>>

1.2755>>

0.0000

2005.11.11 21:01>>

1.3130>>

0.00>>

13.74>>

121.10

1543

2005.11.07 03:04

buy>>

0.30

usdjpy>>

117.78>>

115.50>>

0.00

2005.11.11 21:01>>

117.98>>

0.00>>

17.60>>

50.86

1868

2005.11.13 23:26

sell>>

0.10

audusd>>

0.7322>>

0.7385>>

0.0000

2005.11.18 21:12>>

0.7335>>

0.00>>

-2.40>>

-13.00

1869

2005.11.13 23:27

sell>>

0.10

eurusd>>

1.1721>>

1.1995>>

0.0000

2005.11.18 21:12>>

1.1767>>

0.00>>

3.00>>

-46.00

1870

2005.11.13 23:28

sell>>

0.10

gbpusd>>

1.7423>>

1.7525>>

0.0000

2005.11.18 21:12>>

1.7171>>

0.00>>

-2.46>>

252.00

1871

2005.11.13 23:28

buy>>

0.10

usdchf>>

1.3125>>

1.3030>>

0.0000

2005.11.18 21:13>>

1.3155>>

0.00>>

4.54>>

22.81

1874

2005.11.14 00:01

sell>>

0.20

audusd>>

0.7322>>

0.7385>>

0.0000

2005.11.18 21:13>>

0.7335>>

0.00>>

-4.80>>

-26.00

1875

2005.11.14 00:01

sell>>

0.20

eurusd>>

1.1718>>

1.1980>>

0.0000

2005.11.18 21:13>>

1.1768>>

0.00>>

6.00>>

-100.00

1876

2005.11.14 00:02

sell>>

0.20

gbpusd>>

1.7421>>

1.7525>>

0.0000

2005.11.18 21:13>>

1.7171>>

0.00>>

-4.92>>

500.00

1877

2005.11.14 00:02

buy>>

0.20

usdchf>>

1.3127>>

1.3030>>

0.0000

2005.11.18 21:13>>

1.3149>>

0.00>>

9.08>>

33.46

>>

0.00>>

33.80>>

1 452.23

Closed P/L:>>

1 486.03

Open Trades:

Ticket

Open Time

Type

Lots

Item

Price

S / L

T / P

Price

Commission

Swap

Profit

No transactions

>>

0.00>>

0.00>>

0.00

Floating P/L:>>

0.00

Working Orders:

Ticket

Open Time

Type

Lots

Item

Price

S / L

T / P

Market Price

No transactions

>>

Summary:

Deposit/Withdrawal:>>

0.00

Credit Facility:>>

0.00

Closed Trade P/L:>>

1 486.03

Floating P/L:>>

0.00

Margin:>>

0.00

Balance:>>

99 934.71

Equity:>>

99 934.71

Free Margin:>>

99 934.71

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Details:

Gross Profit:>>

1 669.23

Gross Loss:>>

183.20

Total Net Profit:>>

1 486.03

Profit Factor:>>

9.11

Expected Payoff:>>

114.31

Absolute Drawdown:>>

0.00

Maximal Drawdown (%):>>

124.80 (0.1%)

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Total Trades:>>

13

Short Positions (won %):>>

9 (55.56%)

Long Positions (won %):>>

4 (100.00%)

Profit Trades (% of total):>>

9 (69.23%)

Loss trades (% of total):>>

4 (30.77%)

Largest

profit trade:>>

495.08

loss trade:>>

-94.00

Average

profit trade:>>

185.47

loss trade:>>

-45.80

Maximum

consecutive wins ($):>>

5 (854.72)

consecutive losses ($):>>

2 (-124.80)

Maximal

consecutive profit (count):>>

854.72 (5)

consecutive loss (count):>>

-124.80 (2)

Average

consecutive wins:>>

3

consecutive losses:>>

2

[Depth Trade]

Originally Posted by Depth Trade

Here's a copy of one week from a live 100k account that I was trading during the same time as that T2W account link you post. That is a return of 1.4% in one week, you won't see these trades posted or the account posted. Why? because I don't post everything I do and do not post certain trades for certain reason. I assure you I can come up with many live statements to prove myself.

What I am doing here is working with a client on a private account, so you can either add to the discusion or leave. Either way I do know what I am talking about and am more than experienced too.

MIG Investments SAfficeffice" />>>

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.. so this puts my ROI at about 72% uncomponded for that exact time frame

Depth Trade Results
Start Date	Jan-14
Deposit Amount	1000.00
Week Start Date	3-Apr-08
Week End Date	10-Apr-08
# Weeks	13
USD Start of Week	976.26
USD Ending Amount	956.22
P/L for Week $	-20.04
P/L % for Week	-2.05%
P/L since Start $	-43.78
P/L % since Start	-4.38%
Expected ROI yearly	-17.51%

[pipmutt]

Originally Posted by Depth Trade

Here's a copy of one week from a live 100k account that I was trading during the same time as that T2W account link you post. That is a return of 1.4% in one week, you won't see these trades posted or the account posted. Why? because I don't post everything I do and do not post certain trades for certain reason. I assure you I can come up with many live statements to prove myself.

What I am doing here is working with a client on a private account, so you can either add to the discusion or leave. Either way I do know what I am talking about and am more than experienced too.

I dont want to show you up here Depth Trade so I suggest you delete the account history that you claim is a live 100k account. I have also traded with MIG.

I thought we were all adding to the discussion, is there a problem? We were having a friendly chat and all of a sudden you seem to be getting upset about something.

You dont have to prove yourself to me Paul, its the investor you have to keep happy not me.

[Depth Trade]

Originally Posted by pipmutt

I dont want to show you up here Depth Trade so I suggest you delete the account history that you claim is a live 100k account. I have also traded with MIG.

I thought we were all adding to the discussion, is there a problem? We were having a friendly chat and all of a sudden you seem to be getting upset about something.

You dont have to prove yourself to me Paul, its the investor you have to keep happy not me.

What your going to say it's fake? It was an account I traded for a client that became one of your traders.

Depth Trade Results
Start Date	Jan-14
Deposit Amount	1000.00
Week Start Date	3-Apr-08
Week End Date	10-Apr-08
# Weeks	13
USD Start of Week	976.26
USD Ending Amount	956.22
P/L for Week $	-20.04
P/L % for Week	-2.05%
P/L since Start $	-43.78
P/L % since Start	-4.38%
Expected ROI yearly	-17.51%

[pipmutt]

Originally Posted by Depth Trade

What your going to say it's fake? It was an account I traded for a client that became one of your traders.

Its a demo account as well you know. I did warn you I have also traded with MIG but you chose to ignore the warning.

End of discussion basically, you are not an honest person so anything you say can only be viewed with suspicion. Your motives for lying could be nothing more than bravado or they could be something more sinister, I dont know.

[pipmutt]

...also I dont know what you mean by "that became one of your traders", I stopped working in the industry quite a few years ago.

[rufffen]

DT was banned for a while here at Mtec, but for some political reasons his account got unlocked again. He even claimed to be Moneytec Fund Manager, what else do I need say? One should only wonder.

[WhipsawFX]

Originally Posted by pipmutt

Hi WhipsawFX

I think we may both be wasting our time!

(Nice photo by the way)

I've got a quick question about Oanda, it took me nearly a week to get the March statement to appear, is that normal? I emailed their help desk and raised a ticket but so far no reply, is the thing still in beta testing?

Also could you post or PM that Barclays link, its very interesting.

Thanks

Hi Pipmutt,
yes, the account summary is beta, but I don't think that was the issue in the delay in the monthly summary showing, since it didnt show up in the normal account summary. Usually shows up in a couple of days from my experience. I think its a useful tool to demonstrate your return.

Here's a link to the Barclayhedge page :

http://barclayhedge.com/research/ind.../sub/curr.html

Currency CTA's $10M+
https://www.barclayhedge.com/cgi-bin...&d_r=no_cookie

Currency CTA's $1-10M
https://www.barclayhedge.com/cgi-bin...&d_r=no_cookie


and another useful site for you :

http://managedfutures.com/

I'll PM you some other information, which may be of interest to you,
Good Trading

[WhipsawFX]

Originally Posted by rufffen

DT was banned for a while here at Mtec, but for some political reasons his account got unlocked again. He even claimed to be Moneytec Fund Manager, what else do I need say? One should only wonder.

I don't know, but I just tried to PM pipmutt only to find my inbox was filled with crap from Paul. If anyone doubted his sanity, pm's like this confirm those doubts. Pretty sad really, but I guess some people view forum's as an outlet for their psychosis.

[pipmutt]

Originally Posted by rufffen

DT was banned for a while here at Mtec, but for some political reasons his account got unlocked again. He even claimed to be Moneytec Fund Manager, what else do I need say? One should only wonder.

It takes all sorts! Whats next I wonder, maybe he was solely responsible for Soros's Black Wednesday!

Thanks for the links WhipsawFX, enjoy your fan mail

[Depth Trade]

We know one thing as fact though, I was the only one who responded to the title of this thread.

[Depth Trade]

Blah, blah, blah

...all talk, I'm the only one trading


I know this much, it's going to be hard to gain any followers if you never trade.

Depth Trade Results
Start Date	Jan-14
Deposit Amount	1000.00
Week Start Date	3-Apr-08
Week End Date	10-Apr-08
# Weeks	13
USD Start of Week	976.26
USD Ending Amount	956.22
P/L for Week $	-20.04
P/L % for Week	-2.05%
P/L since Start $	-43.78
P/L % since Start	-4.38%
Expected ROI yearly	-17.51%

[Depth Trade]

Originally Posted by rufffen

DT was banned for a while here at Mtec, but for some political reasons his account got unlocked again. He even claimed to be Moneytec Fund Manager, what else do I need say? One should only wonder.

" " Says the guy that has never posted one winning trade. Ruffen the guy that can't deal with any critisizm, so he has to close his thread off, or else he'd be proven to be a complete fraud.

Ruffen the same guy that posts entrances with a 400 pips pricing gap.

Ruffen, Whipsaw and Pipmutt are complete liars and have done to back up there claims.

With out me, they have nothing. With out me to criticise, they could never keep a thread up a running by posting trade after trade as I have.

Watch it will never happen, they'll never make a trade.

It's unbelievable that my competition doesn't even trade?????????????

Depth Trade Results
Start Date	Jan-14
Deposit Amount	1000.00
Week Start Date	3-Apr-08
Week End Date	10-Apr-08
# Weeks	13
USD Start of Week	976.26
USD Ending Amount	956.22
P/L for Week $	-20.04
P/L % for Week	-2.05%
P/L since Start $	-43.78
P/L % since Start	-4.38%
Expected ROI yearly	-17.51%

[rufffen]

DT has never posted a real live trade, if you call posting BUY at bla bla bla level trading, than this must be paper trading business thata you are involved in!

My trade setups are given ahean in advance at least 1-2 days with SL and TP levels, with my trading I look to gain at least 200 pips per one lot per one trade trading 4 pairs most times.

So I don't really plan to defend myself, just a quick recap of your trading style Depth Trade:

-DT is paper trading;
-DT has multiple accounts at Mtec;
-DT has other accounts on T2win with a history of losses extending back to 2005;
-DT always jumps on other traders, who point out to the discrepancies in his trading style;
-DT never ever posts live trades - live trade has a TP/SL level;
-DT has a wild imagination - one day he is trading 5 mil accounts, next day you see him post results on a 1000 dollar account;
-DT has been banned at Moneytec several times for offensive language;
-To conclude: I rest my case.

[pipmutt]

Originally Posted by Depth Trade

We know one thing as fact though, I was the only one who responded to the title of this thread.

You probably need to calm down a bit Depth Trade, there is nothing to get excited about here.

Paul, the title of this thread is "Any honest profitbale signal provider ? "

Honest - no, you are dishonest, that much we already know.
Profitable - no, your current P&L is showing a loss and apparantly all your previous accounts have also been negative.
Signal Provider - no, signal providers provide a complete trade ie Entry, Stop, and Profit Target.

As I mentioned before I either trade or post and I never offer or listen to other peoples' opinion or view of the market.

If it makes you happy though, you posted:

Have entered the following positions.
Eur/gbp: long .8035 6
Eur/cad: long 1.6184 5
I've been watching GBPs and thinking short

Going by your track record since 2005 the probability of being profitable by taking a counter position to yours is extremely high so for the purpose of this exercise my trades will be:

Have entered the following positions.
Eur/gbp: short .8035 6
Eur/cad: short 1.6184 5
I've been watching GBPs and thinking long

To save me the time and trouble of posting trades please consider me as counterparty to your trades, that should save any arguments.

Thanks.